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KMT isn't pro-China, nor is TPP. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said KMT is pro-status quo and TPP is pro-engagement. Only the DPP wants to completely veer away from China. There also is no evidence that TPP wants to fight for freedom. I have no idea where you are getting that from. They want diplomacy, not war. I don't know why you westerners think of everything in terms of violence. It explains a lot why there's so much violence in the US.

Yup, which is exactly why the Taiwanese wants to keep the status quo and not get into conflict with China. We're already free, why stir the pot? Who cares what China says about who owns what. Now your getting it.

I have stated nothing but facts. TPP wants to engage China.

https://news.yahoo.com/taiwans-opposition-says-towards-better-052635196.html

KMT wants the status quo.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/from-dove-to-hawk-kmts-transformation-and-the-quest-for-new-guardrails-in-cross-strait-relations/

Instead of refuting facts, the above poster resorted to insults. So yes, I insulted him back.

I expect you too will not refute facts but instead keep insulting me.

What your getting at is in my opinion, the core of the matter. It's really an issue of shared decisions. Each side is trying to position themselves to get the lion's share of them. The truth is, regardless of Taiwan and China call themselves one or separate, ultimately it will always be an issue of what decision each side gets to make. In many ways we see that playing out in the US/China relationship as well.

TSMC isn't really that important. Without TSMC and US interference, China would have just chugged along anyway. And we are seeing even with US interference, China's plan is to just chug along. It's the US that keeps bringing up TSMC because as you mentioned, it's a decision that's getting more and more out of US's ability to make decisions on.

China doesn't care about TSMC, it never did, that's a US thing. China was always planning to out compete TSMC, that's what made in China 2025 was about. It's the US that panicked and tried to stop China from doing just that.

You could argue USA is trying to start a war by making China want TSMC, but recent events show China is intent on surpassing then still, regardless of what USA wants.

Jack Ma is fine and is still a multi-billionaire. What about it? And rubber ducks and Winnie the Pooh are both still big sellers in China. Again, not sure your point.

Hong Kong was returned on a lease? There's no lease in Taiwan and the Taiwanese voted how they wanted? Not sure your comparison here.

Kind of. It's basically an unfinished civil war. At this point for most Taiwanese, status quo simply means we have the freedom to do what we want and we can get advantages from China and the US for standing in the middle. Taiwanese people also know that China blusters and constantly give meaningless final warnings. No Taiwanese person believes China will ever attack.

My problem is, everytime we get into the news, there are economic consequences. Like TSMC losing business due to American sanctions. So my goal here is to try to get everyone to just leave us alone so we can live in the peace and prosperity of not being in the news.

See, you don't know and try to force your narrative on others. And if we actual Taiwanese people tell you no, you mansplain it to us. This is why I hate people like you.

Shows how little you understand. KMT wants the status quo, TPP wants to engage China.

No and that's what annoys me about how people talk about Taiwan with no understanding of what's actually going on. Status quo is Taiwan and China are one, but Taiwan runs itself independently, just as Taiwan wants.

And when it came time to vote, that didn't happen. So yeah your pills are biased.

40% is not a majority.

I said they wanted status quo. Which we do. You people keep telling us it's about independence. It's not.

Psst, here's a secret, it wasn't important. The western media made it seem way more important than it was. If it was so important and war could have actually happened, then it would have already.

Well, look at the results. Only 40% voted for the DPP. 60% voted against the DPP. It's just the 2 more pro-China parties got their vote split. Not so in their congress which is now mostly KMT.

So if we take the popular vote, Taiwan voted for status quo, not Independence. China's noticed that and that's why they're not doing another blockade.

But that goes against your narrative so I'll bet you downvote me and ignore the actual votes that do not support your argument.

And the TPP has stated they want to find a middle ground with China and got about 20% of the votes. Tallying up the votes that's 40% for independence and 60% for status quo or working with China. So a minority against working with China wins the presidential elections.

But their congress equivalent is now 60% of the parties that favor working with China.

This is western media bias. They're not reporting that in reality the majority of Taiwanese wants peace and status quo, not independence. So of course China will do nothing since they see this vote in their favor as the Yuan determines if there's a vote for independence, not the president. Western media however will 100% be beating the drums of war. Just watch

Of course you can, it's about superheroes, you can see it in the costumes.

Nothing besides that though. I also watched it and am drawing a blank. I think there was a scene with a boat for some reason?

So yeah, canceling it made perfect sense.

The bigger issue is they're saying they're decreasing support as of this year. Even if we ignore the fact that Russia will bomb those factories, factories don't just pop up magically. Often taking years to build in the first place. If the support dries up as of this year, there's no way Ukraine would be able to switch to domestic production.

Essentially what's really being said is Ukraine will be stuck in a stalemate at best for this year and domestic production might support Ukraine enough for future years assuming there are no delays to factory creation. But just look at the chips act to see how well factory creation goes.

Now, I'm not saying that Bolivia won't get indebted to China, only that this actions is literally the opposite. When you agree to bilateral trade in another country's currency, you're actually going to be buying that countries debt. Look at how China is one of US's largest bond holders. The trade agreement means Bolivia will want a large reserve of Yuan which leads to Bolivia buying Chinese bonds.

That said, the next action will most likely be what you're talking about. Much like Egypt after signing a currency swap agreement, Bolivia will likely denominate future debt in Yuan, or what we've been calling Panda bonds. Since you can use Yuan now for trade, it makes sense to take out debt in Yuan to fund things.

An example of this not happening however is Argentina. After agreeing to a currency swap with China to trade in Yuan, Mieli got elected and promptly ended that. No indebtedness to China at all.

You can argue that this is an indicator that Bolivia intends to get indebted to China, but this action so far is the exact opposite.