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  • You’re right. There would have to be additional evidence for them to even bother indicting. And it seems that there most likely is. But what we do know now in and of itself is a substantial amount of evidence. Testimony that rises to the level of Congressional testimony with corroboration would absolutely be enough.

  • I kinda got sad when he got back to the main topic about games and stopped talking about the history of the concord.

  • Proud boys (the ones Trump told to stand back and standby as if they’re his personal militia) for one:

    1776 Returns is the title of a document that outlined strategic plans for the takeover of US government buildings on January 6, 2021. It was circulated among the Proud Boys organization.

    A section titled the "Patriot Plan" was intended for public distribution, calling on people to gather at 1 p.m. on January 6 and await a signal to attack,[1] with a demand to nullify the elections results and have the military hold a new election.

    On June 6, 2022, the Justice Department announced that five Proud Boys had been indicted for "seditious conspiracy,"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1776_Returns

    Oath keepers:

    In 2023, Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years for seditious conspiracy for his role in the January 6 United States Capitol attack, and another Oath Keepers leader, Kelly Meggs, was sentenced to 12 years for the same crime.[4] Three other members have pled guilty to this crime, and four other members have been convicted of it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

    And the six people named in the latest Trump indictment, and Michael Flynn. They wanted invoke martial law. They wanted to use Jan 6 as a reason to. And trump openly encouraged insurrection attempt.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/73986/invoking-martial-law-to-reverse-the-2020-election-could-be-criminal-sedition/

    to https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics/trump-oval-office-meeting-special-counsel-martial-law/index.html

    Here’s the Trump indictment:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-jan-6-indictment-2020-election-annotated.html#

    This is a lot of work. Because tbh the list could go on forever. It was poorly organized. But it was planned.

  • Good natured discussion is contagious. Thank you for being so chill.

    I should have mentioned this too::

    To be fair, this statement I made incorrect in a way:

    No. Bail is collateral if a person fails to appear.

    It’s loosely (or more so) implies something that is somewhat incorrect. It somewhat implies that bail is only for collateral. And that’s not true either. As you mentioned. The fact that bail can be forfeited for numerous things all lends a secondary purpose of insuring that not only they appear, but also comply with other terms of their bail.

    I didn’t mean to imply that was it’s only purpose. I meant to imply it was the primarily purpose, but most importantly I meant to make a distinction between revocation and forfeiture.

  • He wasn’t charged by NY state. The southern district of NY(SDNY) is a federal court. In federal court:

    When a defendant's bail is revoked for failing to appear or violating a bail condition, any money put up for bond can be forfeited.

    Though they can both happen for the same reasons, they are separate things, and one doesn’t happen automatically because of the other.

    In this case:

    His bail was revoked. His bail was not forfeited.

    I don’t think in any state bail revocation makes bail forfeiture automatic. They’re separate actions.

    The court would make two separate rulings:

    The defendants bail terms are revoked.

    The defendant’s bail shall be forfeited.

    And the headline would read Bankman bail revoked and forfeited

  • Ah sorry I misunderstood.

    It will count, but his time served won’t be a drop in the bucket. They’re gonna bury this clown.

  • No. Bail is collateral if a person fails to appear. Bail term revocation and bail bond forfeiture are entirely different things.

  • He’s not facing two months. He’s facing 115 years to 155 years according to federal sentencing guidelines. Even if he’s only found guilty of one single count, he will do 20 years minimum.

    Certain groups of internet people have been saying he’s going to get away with this the entire time. And everything points to the opposite. And now his bail has been revoked, and the goal post is being moved.

    This dude is beyond fucked. It’s time to find someone else to talk about when it comes to the failures and special treatment related the justice department. Using him as an example of said failures really waters down that otherwise valid complaint.

  • By multiple convicted insurrectionist groups, and trump.

  • The DOJ conviction rate puts the numbers at nearly the same.

  • Yes so “communist” China is a willing participant in the destruction of our planet. And seeks to benefit directly and operate in full compliance with the hyper consumerism that is getting us further and further into global disrepair. Got it. Glad we agree.

  • China doesn’t contribute to the climate crisis or pollution etc? Hahahahahah

    Hahahaha

  • So called “communists” are also contributing massively to the problem. Though one could argue they’re really just capitalist too.

  • I think it’s very clear that the republicans in government are moving far right, but the electorate in general is steadily moving left.

    Every year, about 4 million Americans turn 18 and gain the right to vote. In the eight years between the 2016 and 2024 elections, that’s 32 million new eligible voters.

    Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters.

    Which means that between Trump’s election in 2016 and the 2024 election, the number of Gen Z (born in the late 1990s and early 2010s) voters will have advanced by a net 52 million against older people. That’s about 20 percent of the total 2020 eligible electorate of 258 million Americans.

    And unlike previous generations, Gen Z votes. Comparing the four federal elections since 2015 (when the first members of Gen Z turned 18) with the preceding nine (1998 to 2014), average turnout by young voters (defined here as voters under 30) in the Trump and post-Trump years has been 25 percent higher than that of older generations at the same age before Trump — 8 percent higher in presidential years and a whopping 46 percent higher in midterms.

    https://archive.ph/3Ydkn

    And according to voter data. Gen z is very progressive especially on policy:

    https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/The-Exit-Polls.pdf?x91208

    In 15-20 years nearly half of all boomers will be dead. The current gop can’t win a single national popular vote. Without half these boomers, they will collapse or move left. And the Overton window will shift considerably left. And with Europe moving right in a lot of counties, I’d say it wouldn’t be surprising to see the US as left as Europe in a shot time.

    Also: Europe is not as left leaning as people tend to think. Aside from trains and healthcare they’re not all the left wing. And it is moving right. I’m an Italian citizen and I see it happening in Italy, and many other counties.

  • About 48 percent of Gen Z voters identify as a person of color, while the boomers they’re replacing in the electorate are 72 percent White. Gen Z voters are on track to be the most educated group in our history, and the majority of college graduates are now female. Because voting participation correlates positively with education, expect women to speak with a bigger voice in our coming elections. Gen Z voters are much more likely to cite gender fluidity as a value, and they list racism among their greatest concerns. Further, they are the least religious generation in our history.

    https://archive.ph/3Ydkn

  • I actually don’t know. And I’m not sure that would prove who the current admins are, and whether they’re one in the same.

  • Exactly. He’s not the president. And the person who is is getting the job done. Because sanders was not able to turn his candidacy into affect. And the Democratic Party “elites” put sanders in the role that he currently holds.

    The two parties aren’t the same. Nuance about how to deal with the educational crisis of cost is not the enemy. Decades of neglecting education entirely is.

    Btw: just so we are avoiding history revisionism. Student load forgiveness is being handled by the executive branch. Not the senate. And most definitely not by sanders.