Fantastic. Now extrapolate that to supporting 8 billion people, with your kind of gardening and what it will mean for that civilization.
Do you support yourself 100% of the time with that gardening? Or is it a relaxing hobby?
I'm talking about how we got to 8 billion people. Here's a hint, it's not by gardening.
So you're telling me you never drive your car somewhere to buy seeds or tools? And they got to the store without trucks?
The clothes you wear to garden? You made them yourself? You have sheep? A spinning jenny?
The people working at the store to unload the trucks? They also eat food that came into being without gas, fertilizer, or pesticides?
Look, you've been gardening with gas, fertilizer, and pesticides all along. You just didn't see it.
That's my point. You can hug yourself and pat yourself on the back as much as you want, but without fossil fuels, you wouldn't have the lifestyle that lets you type away at a computer while your fridge is full of food from the supermarket...
I guess most of historical civilizations heard of renewables. Why didn't they have intercontinental flights and chemical fertilizers with a population of 8 billion?
Do you honestly think we're going to wave a magic wand and pooff, same lifestyle but with sunshine?
What's coming in the next 50 years will make the 21st century so far look like a picnic in the park.
"The cement industry is one of the two largest producers of carbon dioxide (CO2), creating up to 5% of worldwide man-made emissions of this gas, of which 50% is from the chemical process and 40% from burning fuel."
Another one who is blissfully unaware of how the world got to be the way it is.
Look, I'm done. There is no way to bridge the gap of understanding between us. Educate yourself. Please.
Stick to physics, chemistry, facts, and history. And keep the references to hard ons to zero.
Yes, please describe how that solar panel came into being. Try it without the fossil fuel foundation of every single item we use. Everything from the rubber tires of the delivery trucks to the food the workers eat.
You are blind to what's around you. If you think we're going to support 8 billion people living a Western lifestyle without fossil fuels, I'm afraid it's not me who isn't bright.
How do you support our present industrial civilization with windmills and watermills? We already had these, why did we give them up?
You're completely oblivious.
"better, more advanced ways of generating power."
But we don't. We don't "generate" power. We harvest energy. And once our little geological energy reserve is drawn down, how do you plan on keeping our present arrangements going?
You haven't explained how you plan to make fertilizers, concrete, plastics, with electricity? And you don't simply "light oil on fire"... Where did the iron come from to make engines? Coal, oh yeah.
You also think we'll just spin copper wire and rare earth magnets from sunshine...
Prayer doesn't work. At best it's stress relief: beats smoking. At worst it fosters a mindless life outlook.
Our present civilizational arrangement that depends on cheap energy and a world-wide endless supply chain is on its last legs. Hospitals depend on both reliable energy and supplies.
If civilization collapses, we can hope the basic knowledge we've accumulated over the last 150-200 years or so will endure. Things like blood circulation, blood pressure, germ theory, blood types, basic first aid, etc. But I doubt it. Most of us are functional morons. We use things that we don't have a clue how any of it got here or how it works.
And if we think about them at all, we assume humans have always had them. See the 1970s series Connections, just episode 1 for what I mean.
If we simply degrade and lose the entitlements we gained during the cheap energy fossil fuel orgy, we'll revert to historical patterns of top 1% getting all the best services and care, such as human doctors and organ transplants, and the rest of us will get AI "doctors" that prescribe symptomatic relief from the company that owns them. See the novel Bladerunner by Nourse for a general sketch. Also from the '70s, another period of political turmoil and a manufactured energy crisis. The difference is that now, the energy crisis isn't manufactured. It's foundational.
I could also be wrong, the LSD is hitting pretty hard this morning.
Given the backdoors in modern CPUs and routers, that's not something you want in writing on the interweebs. Say, do you know what approaching re-education drones sound like?
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pfffffff ha ha ha and he deletes his post! Guess he heard an airplane and thought it was the Raytheon GBU-12 Camp Camp refugee tent buster bomb being sent his way!
Fantastic. Now extrapolate that to supporting 8 billion people, with your kind of gardening and what it will mean for that civilization.
Do you support yourself 100% of the time with that gardening? Or is it a relaxing hobby?
I'm talking about how we got to 8 billion people. Here's a hint, it's not by gardening.
So you're telling me you never drive your car somewhere to buy seeds or tools? And they got to the store without trucks?
The clothes you wear to garden? You made them yourself? You have sheep? A spinning jenny?
The people working at the store to unload the trucks? They also eat food that came into being without gas, fertilizer, or pesticides?
Look, you've been gardening with gas, fertilizer, and pesticides all along. You just didn't see it.
That's my point. You can hug yourself and pat yourself on the back as much as you want, but without fossil fuels, you wouldn't have the lifestyle that lets you type away at a computer while your fridge is full of food from the supermarket...