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  • 1995.... The peak of humanity. Industrial clubs everywhere, fun cheap bars, bright clothes, danceable music, computers you still had a chance of understanding somewhat, home appliances and lightbulbs didn't need firmware updates or spy on you, affordable housing and groceries, relative worldwide peace...

    I think I'd burst into tears if I saw this sign IRL

  • True, but the advancements boil down to late 19th century ideas like "wash your hands after the autopsy before delivering Ms Green's baby", which the medical establishment pushed hard against at the time. Tells you a lot about the medical mindset...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

    "Despite his research, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no theoretical explanation for his findings of reduced mortality due to hand-washing, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it."

  • Well yes, but that means 8 billion people will be a bit of a snug fit on this planet, don't you think?

    And we had sustainable food capacity up to 1859.

    There's no more bat guano either.

  • Yes, but without fossil fuel inputs humanity couldn't sustain 8 billion people, renewable energy or not.

    My point is that humanity is heading into a foundational tree chipper. Don't you think we're already seeing signs of unraveling?

    Of course humanity can survive on renewable energy, that's how we built the Pyramids, but those civilizations didn't have 8 billion people shopping on Aliexpress or spray cheese on nachos to watch the football game.

  • Fantastic. Now extrapolate that to supporting 8 billion people, with your kind of gardening and what it will mean for that civilization.

    Do you support yourself 100% of the time with that gardening? Or is it a relaxing hobby?

    I'm talking about how we got to 8 billion people. Here's a hint, it's not by gardening.

    So you're telling me you never drive your car somewhere to buy seeds or tools? And they got to the store without trucks?

    The clothes you wear to garden? You made them yourself? You have sheep? A spinning jenny?

    The people working at the store to unload the trucks? They also eat food that came into being without gas, fertilizer, or pesticides?

    Look, you've been gardening with gas, fertilizer, and pesticides all along. You just didn't see it.

    That's my point. You can hug yourself and pat yourself on the back as much as you want, but without fossil fuels, you wouldn't have the lifestyle that lets you type away at a computer while your fridge is full of food from the supermarket...