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Party leaders get one vote each, just like everyone else. They can't stop leftists from voting. So if leftist candidates want to win, they simply need to get more votes than their opponents.

And if leftists are discouraged by opposition from "the party apparatus", they are going to be devastated when they find out about the massive electoral advantages of incumbency. Incumbents win >90% of their elections!

With all their whining about "party apparatus", frankly I think most leftists don't have the stomach to take on an incumbent. Which basically means they will never win an election.

If leftists think Trump best listens to the working class, then leftists should start advising Republicans instead of Democrats.

I don't believe leftists actually know "the only way to win elections and hold power", considering they have accomplished neither.

I don't know.

But I do know who Democrats need to win back if they want to win in 2028. And those voters are mostly centrists.

If leftists ever won a presidential election, then they might have useful advice to others who wanted to do the same.

But they never have, and apparently they don't even want to.

Then I would conclude that you are not interested in winning elections.

And therefore you shouldn't give advice to people who do want to win elections.

Everyone who has ever won a contested primary faced opposition from within their own party.

Leftists are ones who feel entitled to win an election without any opposition.

Exactly.

The goal of Democrats is to win elections. Democrats aren't leftists.

The goal of leftists is to complain. Leftists don't want to win elections.

Nobody "lets" someone win an election. Progressives need to earn their votes like everyone else. And if they earn enough votes, then they win regardless of what other Democrats think.

That's the usual explanation leftists give. But I'm not sure Democrats should listen to that, either.

Especially since the largest shifts towards Trump in 2024 occurred in the Latino and Gen Z male demographics. Both of them are more centrist than average Democrats, and they are the demographics that Democrats need to win back in 2028.

Then I was right. Leftists don't want to win elections.

But Democrats do. So why should Democrats listen to leftists?

Democrats defeated Trump once, which is still better than the track record of leftists.

The DNC has a primary whenever a challenger gathers enough signatures and submits them on time. I realize that can be a high bar for leftists.

And if you don't think the GOP unfairly influences the general election, then you need to google "voter suppression".

I'm not a fan of the Green Party, either. Among other things, they gave us Senator Sinema.

But if leftists want to demonstrate that they are better than establishment Dems at winning elections, then leftists will have to win elections. Starting with primaries.

And yes, others will try to "tear them down" from all sides. Intraparty fighting never ends, even after winning an election. Just ask Joe Biden. That's the nature of politics, which leftists often don't want to face.

If they don't know how to win elections in the face of opposition, then they shouldn't be giving advice on how to win elections.

According to leftists, control of corporate donors and the media makes the DNC extremely strong. But simultaneously, the DNC is extremely weak.

The goal of leftists is to complain and by that standard, this past election was a resounding success. And nothing else, including winning elections, matters to them.

Ok, "leader of Our Revolution". If Democrats are a failure then form your own party and show Democrats how it's done.

I'm not sure what you mean.

You seem to be starting with the assumption that market prices should reflect fundamentals, and questioning why they don't. But why do you assume that?

"In the short-run, the stock market is a voting machine. But in the long-run, it is a weighing machine."

You can't ignore or eliminate either machine.

I don't care if the market is under responsive to fundamentals. That just means some investors are exercising poor judgment by paying too much attention to irrelevant factors. It also gives an opportunity to investors with better judgment.