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I think all of those (Arch, Gentoo, Void) have unofficial or forked immutable versions. But I'm wondering why the immutable distros aren't for "tinkerers"?

But I get it, and agree, current Linux phones arent for non-"tinkerers", but isn't that just how all things start in foss world/early unstable non-foss software projects? Surely that wouldn't be the long-term goal.

Like Linux RISC-V desktops/laptops, but that is just the beginning.

Maybe that isn't true but the original topic was "why Linux phones when AOSP forks exist" and I think "tinkerers" might think this way about Android.

Oh, definitely, but that is just the first/current stage.

My added comment is that, besides the tinkerers, AOSP is still in danger of Google (bcs it is by Google) - they are closing/trying to close down there open-sauciness of it (I know, the licences, but megacorp), delaying publishing the sauce code, and in the near future, I'm sure is it, making decisions that would be increasingly hard for AOSP to be used benevolently (they arent at the moment so hard on this bcs driver availability locks down what Android you can install on your phone).

The phone market and society would benefit long-term of Google wouldn't have a monopoly in so many key areas.

Oh fuck.
\ I didn't know that.

Sorry, I couldn't follow/I don't think I understood you.

Why wound you want or need to run anything via CLI?

Most Linux users never use anything CLI (similar MacOS & Windows). Why would Linux phone users? And what does that have to do with android app devs?

The difference between Android and "proper" Linux? You said it:

But (what I said is that) all of that you can get in various Linux distros too - what I was saying that the basic divergence for devs is Google/Android SDK.

I get this - and I really hope* that changes in the same way (just like bitch or gay).
\ (*Bcs it's being used, phonetically I really dislike the word.)

It's weird tho that that word lost the meaning of bundled sticks, while gay/gaily & bitch still retained their older usage.

Words are dumb but an invention we still need.

It prob doesn't even jack any shits.

They might jack some shit actually - people reading about it on the toilet getting exposed to the truth & joining in on the movement(s).

Not op, but that's is based on past events (both that the gov & various departments/agencies literally did that and that American protesters are relatively tame & opposed to violence, again, 'relatively').

So a reasonable guess/question (I take it that the "75%" is there for comedic reasons).

Lacks the image of free wild horses tho.

Constant enshitification is a key process in maximising profits, if only the legends of the fossy alliterative ways were true, ... but those arent the stories the capitalist would tell you.

... people miss Android ... to play Android games? Omfg.

Android is a semi-immutable (heavily modified and basically owned by Google) distro that runs app in sandboxes.

What is the difference?

Not only that - if they still do they usually offer lower prices. Even lower if you pick it up yourself.

Those big 3rd-party delivery services sux, they exploit workers (pay, "tips") and restaurants (fees).

Big tech 'disruptions' are just a facade to get monopoly without providing anything new.

With delivery I just meant

Having an option if all else fails

An option some ADHD peeps can use, 100% not an option developed to help with ADHD fuckery.

I hate third-party delivery services, those are just exploiting workers & act monopolistic when it comes to fees they change to the restaurants.

I go get my own food, but it still happens that I can't leave my apparent sometimes so I assumed this does help some people.

I resolved a lot of my food issues by having stores in the same building I live (and nice restaurants in the 1 to 5 minute walk where I can skip the delivery & go get it myself).

But yeah, not all days, sometimes food is complicated.

Oh, yeah, for sure, the garbage (0-sense) title is screaming monetisation of all the things for a few clicks.

I too resolved a lot of my food issues by having stores in the same building I live (and nice restaurants in the 1 to 5 minute walk where I can skip the delivery & go get it myself).

With delivery I just meant

Having an option if all else fails

An option some ADHD peeps can use, 100% not an option developed to help with ADHD fuckery.

... so why are eg flatpak apps less secure than Android ones?

And Play & Apple stores are full of unchecked scam apps. They basically are solving this by securing the os more. Yet apps (even Instagram) can still take pics without your action. I assume they listed in on you too.

The app (& SDK) argument I think has more to do with user- and dev-base. Something that Microsoft failed at in the mobile market. So basically we need a quality/seamless way of running Android apps on Linux.

And since we can run Win games on Linux very nicely I think this wouldn't be that much of an issue ... Tho minimal industry support (eg banking apps) is still needed.

Yes, this.

Google is slowly but consistently closing down the ecosystem (that should have been openv all the way through anyways).

Just like with the search engine, the early ad-free serve-everyone-equally stage is dead. Now the monopoly is about to monetise what it can & control all the things.
\ (Thighs might escalate a bit quicker since the "Googles android" is prob at it's peak market share rn & the China alternatives are gonna steamroll even oven giants like Google and Apple to a significant extent.)

It's a bit diffident when you don't have big megacorp subsidies (Meta, Google, various local-market apps, etc) & have to buy all hardware from third parties. And perhaps not have planned obsolescence. And upsales. And ad revenue. And frown upon slave or unhappy workforce & other negative society impacts.

Also it looks like an ok phone, low spec cameras, but still the usual dimensions, OLED, enough RAM & CPU to be usable in desktop mode, Linux.

The title is garbage, but ADHD folk can have a lot of problems preparing food, even ordering food.

Having an option if all else fails is a lifesaver (getting regular-ish nutrition & not starving for a couple of days at a time - not a short term issue, but the psychological effects can compound over time ... this is also the segue/mechanic why so many adhd ppl develop persistent depression).

Edit: to clarity - with delivery I just meant

Having an option if all else fails

An option some ADHD peeps can use, 100% not an option developed to help with ADHD fuckery.

I hate third-party delivery services, those are just exploiting workers & act monopolistic when it comes to fees they change to the restaurants.

I go get my own food, but it still happens that I can't leave my apparent sometimes so I assumed this does help some people.

... they deliver food in old city centres like this al the same, they just use bikes or mopeds.

Also non-car food delivery is better, especially during rush hours.

Wait, didn't they have a whole franchise abut this?
\ (Idk, I'm not into soapy teen fantasy drama.)

All I remember from the memes is that one sparklers in sunlight (I guess vampires).

... I was not expecting this many people to (so strongly) take sides in what is basically a kerfuffle between two mega villains.

(Og) Nazis had a lot of infighting too, still fascist mass murderers.