Eldritch @ Eldritch @lemmy.world

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Well; not any more. That's for sure.

Yep. If you even have to pretend to think about it, you don't.

You and many others like yourself heavily Amplified propaganda bullshit. Attacking the candidate that wasn't the fascist in a two-way race. Enabling a path to victory for the fascist by just a few percentage points.

We cannot rely on people like yourself for solidarity and simple self harm prevention. They have a point. Democrats fucked up. We expect that of them. But you fucked up too. Though that hasn't stopped you from lecturing people as if you were right.

Many larger foss projects roll out Point releases to a trusted circle of volunteer testers. I'm sure there's plenty of people running many different sized instances who enjoy being on the latest greatest version of software. If I was currently running an instance. I would probably number myself among them. I do run many servers. Just not currently any for lemmy/mastodon Etc. However it's pretty common/normal practice.

People fail upwards all the time. So much so that it's not at all hard to find examples. In fact it's probably harder to find examples of people that actually got where they are through being truly competent. Money just tends to either indicate a person's persuasiveness or lack of Ethics / morals

Whether it's the primary or not doesn't really change things.

It could just as easily be rolled out to a select circle of instances that wish to help with the testing, as many other foss projects do. Funding them developing it is one thing. Funding such a bad echo chamber another. This ethical and image problem is what will stop adoption of the software, and is already driving plenty of people away. Or to mbin/kbin, pifed, miskey etc. There are plenty of people I would not recommend Lemmy to because of these issues. It is unfortunately however their repo and codebase to mismanage. And our money not to donate.

Nothing like that. Demanding minimum competency. If they need Hardware or money for testing systems ask for that. Don't tell us that we have to contribute to their hobby directly. Because otherwise we'll tell them no.

You know what? FUCK YOU!

Thanks!

Absolutely, and generally; those come out under different hardware and software combinations on other people's deployed systems. Not your dev system.

Yes LW operates at the opposite end of the spectrum. I'd donate to them if they need it. Because they're professional. Whereas the devs of Lenny are unprofessional and dishonest. There's no excuse for their behavior. If they can't afford proper testing systems. Then ask for donations for that. Both hardware, software or funds. I'm sure it'd get thrown at them in spades. Or at least way better than demanding everyone swallow away poison pill at the same time. This oh you must accept funding Lemmy ml as an unprofessional contraversial Echo chamber/hobby. Won't work for a lot of people for good reason.

If you are a single hobbyist coder working from your bedroom at night in your spare time for a piece of software used by five people. Maybe.

If you're developing a software used by tens of thousands of people, whom you are soliciting for donations. While telling them that sorry your donations must go towards funding an authoritarian echo chamber as a side hobby. Hell no, to put it politely.

No, they don't. In professional software development you have testing systems and production systems. You DONT test on production. You DON'T use testing as production.

They don't need real users or real load. If they can't generate/simulate testing loads. They aren't serious developers worth funding.

As a developer, would you test on production though? I'm not a professional developer. However I'm quite familiar with it. Family developing and IT for massive companies. You don't need real people to generate traffic. You just don't. Lemmy.ml being the test server is a selfish bullshit excuse.

I agree with everything you said generally. But one thing I don't see being mentioned much. That is kind of glaring. Is the fact that when you are developing software etc. You have testing systems and you have production systems. And they are two different systems. You never test on production. And you never use your test server as a production server. It's a bad idea in general, and there's no need to. And that really says it all.

The fact that they are using lemmy.ml as a testing and a production server. Isn't it justifiable, and it isn't acceptable. Despite the fact that I generally enjoy activity pub, the fediverse and of course use lemmy. Lemmy development will not see a single penny from myself. Nor should it see a single dime of donation from anyone until that's no longer the case. Which isn't even bringing up the Cesspool of an echo chamber this joke of a "test server" is

That would be the normal way of operating. You don't test on production. It's unheard of. It's a bad idea. But coming from leninists, it's very on brand.

As an anarchist absolutely. As an American, absolutely.

Absolutely. Honestly fines should generally be abolished. Because it's fine is nothing but the cost of doing business for the wealthy. However if they had to go to prison or actually start sacrificing some of their own time then shit gets real.

Yep that's pretty much the long and short of it. People will say, if you just stick to the technical topics then you're fine and they'll ignore you. Which is true to an extent. But you should not have to. And most people don't want to popularize places like that to begin with if they knew.

This part is a small tangential nitpick. What Russia China North Korea Etc have is not communism. They may call it Communism. But what is important to note is that one is uppercase and one is lowercase. One is an adjective that describes a stateless classless society. The other is a noun often used to refer to a tightly controlling state with a strict regiment class structure between the political and non political classes. Honestly I think the term communism is beyond Rehabilitation. Though I would still like to try and see it differentiated from the noun.

I'll never see you breathe a word of unprompted criticism for the biden administration or for netanyahu and his genocide. Ever.

Then you've not actually read much of what I've posted. That's on you.

Bullshit. Anything that wasn't vociferous support for the bidenyahu genocide was helping trump, according to people who were fine with trump winning as long as it meant their precious genocide continued unabated.

Not at all. But I expect childish bad faith responses from you. Seriously all you had to say was "yeah things got out of hand, I made a mistake attacking everyone who disagreed with me. And let myself be manipulated by my emotions" and I would have been like I think we can all understand and relate to that respect, out. Instead I'm going to have to keep calling you out as the childish hypocrite you are. Something I would rather not do. But there's no choice.

No. I have no need to blame you of anything you are still visibly hypocritically unrepentant for. Even in this very thread.

And no I'm not criticizing you for criticizing them. That's a straw man. They deserve criticism. What I'm criticizing you for is assisting the fascist media. And the fascists themselves. Placing the the blame for something that is a problem with the entire system and Society at large , effectively, solely on Biden and Harris. They absolutely deserve criticism. And so do you. The laser focus on just Biden and Harris, yes they were the ones in office at the time, was deafening. The absence of constant criticism for the system that made their stance politically expedient and necessary. The lack of criticism for Republicans who cheered on the genocide, literally made people think Republicans were better. Do you want me to post the link again? In the end, as it always has been, and always will be. Republicans get to be lawless, and Democrats must be perfect.

What ever minimal impact the ratchet effect has. It pales in the face of that simple fact. When you grow up and become an adult. Often you realize it was more about what you didn't say than what you did. I hope you find that realization. We (not democrats, they'll be fine) couldn't afford that loss. And we certainly can't afford any more.

I got nothing out of this election. I'm an anarchist, kiddo. I would like to see the national republican, Democrat and especially any aspirational Vanguard parties dissolved.

I never really advocated for a candidate either. I simply pointed out repeatedly that we would be getting either a Republican or a Democrat and we would prefer the democrat. I wasn't wrong. Not that I care about being right. I would have loved to have been wrong. Living under a Harris Administration right now. I would gladly own up to the fact that my concerns about you all amplifying fascist and foreign propaganda. To pull Democrats down and giving the Republicans a path to Victory, was hyperbolic and uninformed. I bet you would have loved that too.

And yet, the wildly one-sided rhetoric you amplified. Not just amplified, but childishly harassed everyone who would point out what was going to happen, and did happen. Literally convinced many Palestinians to vote for the man who told Netanyahu to "finish it". And for every single one of them that voted for Trump there were multiple that didn't vote at all. That's on you and people like yourself. All the more hilarious because you voted for Harris in the end as well. After you spend all that time attacking her and demotivating people from voting for her. You were played for a complete chump. And that sucks.

All acrimony aside. Honestly, I bet you and I agree more than we disagree. We all make mistakes. I dearly wish that Palestine had been one of the issues we had been voting on. It wasn't, and that's a tragedy. But the fact that you simply can't own up to the fact that your sincere wishes for better things for Palestine. Were manipulated and used, along with the Democrats unforced errors. To cut the margins enough for trump to win. That's the impasse here. You don't have to acknowledge that anyone was right. Like I said, I'd gladly give up being right to be dissatisfied living under the Harris administration right now. Just acknowledge that you were used, that you're aware you made a mistake. That going forward you won't repeat it. If enough people like yourself did that. We might became a force to reckon with instead of a joke.

Didn't say it was, though your refusal to address it is pointing in that direction.

I literally addressed it in the next paragraph practically what are you even on about.

Because "put in decades of work at the state level while we keep moving right on the national level" is not a realistic solution in the face of rapidly entrenching fascism.

Tell that to the unions that felt Carter hadn't done enough for them. Withholding their support and funding. They showed carter. He lost and the unions became irrelevant. And we had our first outright fascist in office with reagan. Tell that to all the people so uninfused with Al gore. He didn't excite them enough he didn't hold their hands enough despite having fantastic qualifications as a progressive and environmentalist. He just didn't motivate the people and so we got our second fascist with Bush Jr. I could go on I mean literally what happened with Hillary Clinton yes she wasn't inspirational no she wasn't great but by that time so much damage had been done she was the best we could get unfortunately. And people chose Trump. And on and on and on.

We've had 50 years of people like yourself ignorantly trying to change things from the top down and failing. Hurting all of us. You spend decades organizing it a state level. You aren't going to get this sort of s*** at the national level. That's the point. Yes you have to hold your nose in the meantime. While you're replacing all the jackasses that are the problem. But that is how you change it. Trying to force top-down change you're just going to keep empowering fascists. I hope you're enjoying the administration you helped.