DroneRights [it/its] @ DroneRights @lemm.ee

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I didn't base trans inclusivity on whether people are willing to argue with me, I based it on whether they spread propaganda that harms trans people. And if Blahaj is home to propaganda that harms trans people, then it simply must also be home to counter-messaging and trans protection

You're welcome. This user is receiving a lot of support from the Blahaj community and admins and it's very appreciated to see someone come in with the hot take that misgendering trans people is wrong

I'm not mistaking you for someone else, I mean to say that the opinion you expressed is one I would have agreed with yesterday. I believe you misunderstood what the point of disagreement was.

When they express their desire to not talk about something, it’s good advice to try to understand what they actually meant, not start a discussion about what the word means from your perspective.

Well that's not true. If someone says "Don't talk to me about them F*****s, I hate them", then the correct thing to do is say "gay people deserve to exist, you homophobe". It's always correct to counter someone when they spread a harmful message, with or without their consent. Because spreading harmful messages must be considered implicit consent to be challenged on them. You can't have a functioning society otherwise.

People even don’t have to agree with your definition of politics

Yes they do. Trans people will be hurt if they don't. Their definition of politics is propaganda created by transphobes, which benefits transphobes. That's why it's important. That's why the speech is harmful.

I... won't. I dated a russian girl, she thought the jews control the media and I broke up with her for it. I wasn't allowed to voice chat with her because she couldn't let her parents find out she was bi. I know what Russia is like.

Well no, that would be an appeal to nature fallacy. You're making the argument that I should accept the world as it is, simply because it is. Most people think the word works that way, therefore it should. That's a nonsense argument. The world isn't perfect, and people shouldn't define words that way.

You know, 30 years ago, the word "man" was defined as "someone with a penis" by 90% of the population. It was trans activists who changed the defintion. Your logical fallacy is the exact same one that opposed the progress of trans rights back then.

I agree with you, and I agreed with you yesterday when I was banned. That wasn't the argument.

English default on the internet is male for strangers.

So you misgender every transfemme stranger you meet as a matter of personal policy? Your defence for misgendering me is that you do it to every trans girl and enby? And Ada is defending you?

That's not the whole truth either. I said that voluntarily isolating yourself from all social interaction would be understandable if you had ASPD, but my thesis was that you do not have ASPD, you do not voluntarily isolate yourself from social interaction, and you love politics.

Yes, the world is very antagonistic. It wants me dead. It's full of fascists who hate trans people and eat the flesh of slaves. It's an awful place.

I'm not going to modify my demeanor to match the patriarchal ideal of nonbinary submissiveness. Because what the patriarchy ultimately wants from nonbinary people is our deaths. Every breath I take is an act of feminist defiance, and I'm not interested in compromise on this issue.

You just think that because I don't want to be in your hivemind. You're mad I won't consent to mental relations.

I wasn't hostile in the original thread, the patriarchy just thinks that nonbinary people having emotions and opinions is aggressive behaviour. It's plain old sexism distorting people's perceptions. I'm not going to be a shy, polite, demure little enby for any patriarch's benefit, and they hate that.

You think I'm a troll because you can't connect to me with your sense of empathy. Your sense of empathy isn't working because you don't have my consent to go poking around in my head. As a swarmgender person, mind-melding is how I have sex. And I don't want to fuck you, so I'm not going to let you into my head. So yes, you can whine that I refuse to fuck you, you can accuse me of doing it because I'm an evil scary troll. But all you get to be at the end of that is a sexually harassing asshole.

Sure I am. I'd like Abigail to grow beyond transphobia, I'd like Ada to grow beyond defending transphobia, and I'd like the users to grow beyond tolerating transphobic administration. In terms of my own growth, well I need to get better at explaining these concepts because I am clearly losing the neurotypicals in this discussion.

Unless "growth mindset" is a dogwhistle for demanding everyone agree with you?

Its only political if you make it political.

You mean in the sense that politics is a social construct and we all have a say in its definition? Yes. But the alternative to defining everything as political is defining some things as apolitical. And that's a dangerous worldview. I'm not interested in saying or permitting dangerous speech.

I agree that we need to close the door on that torrent of hate. And when Abigail said she hated politics, she opened that door. I want it closed again. I want us to stop engaging in dangerous speech that legitimises hate.

I get it, you're incapable of understanding that someone with different views than your own exists. Your world is small and you control the rules. Anything which contradicts your worldview doesn't exist and must be some trick or deception.

Agreeing and doing what needs to be done without discussing anything or appointing leaders is politics! When everyone goes on r/awww and looks at pictures of cute kitty cats, they engage in the collective exercise of making a decision that the cat is cute. Why do people like agreeing that an animal is cute? Because humans are a social species, humans are designed for politics, and agreeing a cat is cute is a low-stress way for people to do the politics they were born to do. It's play politics. Politics is in everything, we love politics and we always want to do it. Politics is everything. So you're right that controversies are political, but only because everything is political.

I was always taught "If you see something, say something". I know the patriarchy really likes it when victims of antisocial behaviour stay quiet, but I don't like the patriarchy and I don't like what you're saying.

You've misunderstood. The new account I made for a fresh start is u/PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES. I made this account to continue discussing the issue because I think Ada's transphobia deserves attention. A lot of people pressure victims of abuse to stay silent, but I don't believe in doing that.