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An empty swimming pool is bad. A burning house is bad. Filling your pool with limited water supply before putting out the fire is also bad.

There is so much focus to go around for politics.

Its this flawed argument on repeat. You just start assuming that killing a murderer ("life for a life") is somehow automatically wrong and then use it to show death penalty is wrong.

Why is "life for a life" somehow unfair demand for the premeditated murderers? What is this based on? Or just repeating it because you heard it so often.

I literally said the opposite. Just because I don't believe people should be allowed to rob banks, I don't believe they should be killed or maimed for it.

Just because I believe the death penalty is just does not mean I believe people should be tortured.

I guess both barbarism and light are subjective, but I think I understand your argument.

That being said, there are so many things more barbaric than executing criminals going on in our societies that focusing on this is like fixing a burst water pipe on the sinking Titanic.

Do you actually believe that life imprisonment and death are the same level of punishment? And if yes, why would it matter which one we use?

If it is not the same, then how are they not getting of lightly for ending someone elses life?

As I wrote in a different thread, yes, I agree we should not have death penalty due to the high possibility (inevitability?) of executing innocent people.

I just don't see any moral issue with executing actual murderers with N2, just the practical issue of not being able to precisely determine who the murderers are.

My fundamental issue is with the "better than that". I really don't see why letting a cold blooded murderer off lightly would be the better way.

I really would like to know: The people who object to N2, if you could pick any reasonably practical execution method (but it has to be execution, no death by old age), what would you pick?

I mean, you are free to subjectively think that and conform your own actions to that. Refuse to participate in anything death penalty related.

But unless you have any rational basis for it, I don't see why anyone else should care about what you think.

Your brain can function without oxygen for over 30 seconds. I see no reason why it wouldn't in a detached head.

The guillotine suffer from the same issue most execution methods used until now, they only seem "quick and painless". Nitrogen gas actually is painless.

I do remember about the 4%. That is why I don't support death penalty.

I am just honest about the reason why I don't support it, instead of pretending I am somehow morally superior for refusing to kill.

As for life in prison, that is up to everyone's values, whether that is equivalent. In my view, it is not.

Is there a medically sound way? What does "medically sound" even mean? Theere is no patient who is supposed to survive.

It is the best way of execution I can think of short of explosives near brain.

That's a ridiculous argument. If I believe a bank robber should be stopped from robbing a bank using force, can't I also demand the force is not excessive?

Thinking death is an appropriate punishment and torture isn't is not contradictory.

If you bake bread, you are a bread baker. If you play football, you are a football player. If you murder someone, you are a murderer.

If you don't commit the crime of murder, you are not a murderer. Murder is a legal term. Administering a death penalty is not murder, since it is not a crime.

No matter how much batman says otherwise, there is nothing inherently not ok about death penalty for murderers. Of course, you can dislike it all you want. But don't go slandering people that disagree with you.

Arguably, the opposite is true: If I decide I really want to kill you, what should be the minimal punishment? Is it ok to just pay a fine? Is it ok to be in prison for a month? How about a year? What if I decide the slap on the wrist punishment is worth it? Why should the punishment be less than paying with my own life in kind? Why is your life worth less than mine when I am the murderer in this hypothetical?

You could do that although N2 gas is not that dangerous. Just opening a door to a well ventilated room will get rid of the gas. It is not poisonous or anything. Its not like you are doing this every week that you get lax about procedure.

I could not agree more. People should stop murdering people so there is no need for the death penalty.

Keep in mind this guy thought it was fine to kill someone for $1000. Not any hatred or psychological issue or ideology. Just a bit of cash.

A lot more difficult to do without him noticing and the "feared" mask on his face and potential to vomit into the mask would still be an issue.

Well, disregarding the normal fear of death that would be there regardless of the method, I think the issue is the mask. It would be much better to just fill the room with N2. You can do this easilly enough by evaporating liquid N2. Of course, this would not be "medical grade" so people would complain just to complain.

You don't need medical grade for any practical reason. It is just something people who are against death penalty to complain about and there may be legal technicalities that would require it.

My phone isn't rooted, but maybe it could also hide the custom ROM? Idk, I got used to paying with a card and at least google does not get my spending habbits