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That's fair and I respect your decision.

I was excited about Obama. For whatever reason I thought he'd be a lot more progressive than he ended up being.

I phone banked for Clinton. Was never a fan, but I agree that Trump was/is uniquely dangerous.

I voted for Biden. He was explicitly picked to be the conservative balance to the liberal firebrand, Obama (😬), but hey vote Blue no matter who, right?

The counterpoint to this thinking, for me: Where does this end? Do I stick it out until the next "unimportant" Presidential election? At what point am I just enabling the Dems to run rightward to pick up imaginary centrist Republicans while ignoring the left and the working class?

I doubt the DNC will learn their lesson from this election. I hoped they'd learn from a win, but I pray they take this loss to heart. The idea that Republicans somehow convinced people that they're the party of unions and the working class is laughable, but if they could do that, that says Dems aren't making the difference in people's lives that they should be.

I voted for the Unity party largely to make this point. I live in Colorado. That's "shooting myself in the head"?

I heard someone say "Well what if so many voters vote third party that they lose the state?" In this scenario...if Colorado is even close...it's a fantasy to think they'd still have Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, or Texas. There is no path to 270 that doesn't involve Colorado being firmly blue enough that vote won't change anything.

I respect the right of people in swing states to vote their conscience as well, but that's obviously a different consideration. But the vitriol a lot of Dems have without even asking where someone lives is just weird.

This is just astoundingly out of touch. When I asked "why", I was looking for evidence. What evidence do you have to support your supposition? Nothing.

To the contrary, polling says that only 10% of people cared about Gaza. The American people are largely tuned out of politics. Democrats' first instinct is to always blame leftists, but the problem is that people don't want to vote for more of the same.

This is meaningless though.

You said "a clear majority voted for Trump". In fact: a majority of Americans didn't vote for a fascist. That is a good thing.

Neither did a majority of Americans vote for a milquetoast centrist, but I don't expect anyone to take a great deal of comfort or pain in that fact.

Harems seem to seldom be consensual. It's too bad really. But also one just doesn't hear about consensual nonmonogamy much in the mainstream, so I suppose there probably are some.

It is on the candidate to inspire people. Yeah, the left was lukewarm to a candidate that was trying her best to court Republicans. How else could you expect that to play out?

Only 10% of the electorate even cared about Gaza. You're giving the American people entirely too much credit.

You really think the 15 million people who voted for Biden but not Kamala was "misplaced sense of moral superiority"? Why?

Imagine thinking that billions of dollars in campaign funds were overturned by a picture posted on Lemmy.

The Left is a group so insignificant that we don't need to cater to their positions at all, but so massive that they're completely responsible any time we lose.

You need to learn to read graphs, bud. Whatever that is, it's not what you're claiming it is.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

53% of white women voted for Trump.

21% of Black men.

And once again, the majority of white women vote Republican.

I'm not terribly bright, but I've never understood the original statement.

If I bash my right hand on a typewriter an infinite number of times, that will never turn into the complete works of Shakespeare. If we assume a monkey will enter one random letter at a time, that probably would, but that is a big assumption that a monkey would be actually random.

the person has to be able to fill out and sign it themselves.

This. If she voted, but it is postmarked after her death, it will probably be flagged, however, you haven't broken the law.

That's not an argument that being filmed at a polling place is dangerous.

I went to private religious schools until my second year of college. None had the 10 commandments posted anywhere. I know we're all in agreement that this is a severe violation of the first amendment. As a Christian I hate that these idiots are using my faith as a cudgel (as has happened far too often).

But also, this is incredibly tacky.

I'm not sure a good argument can be made. Being at a polling place doesn't say who you're voting for. I don't see the danger.

Having two different realities is not good. I'm not sure what is to be done about it though. Some people will always choose to believe the easy lie over the difficult truth.

Ignoring Fox and the crazies for a moment, how often have mainstream networks given equal time to climate change deniers and actual scientists, pretending there was a debate where there wasn't one.

I want to push back a little on "we all agreed on what was and what was not reality." When there were three TV stations, did any of them highlight police brutality? Overincarceration? The military industrial complex? Anything that would hurt their sponsor's bottom lines?

The news networks we have today are all owned by large media conglomerates. They range from pro-corporate to pro-fascist. I'm glad that there are enough independent voices that we can hear from people who don't profit off of the status quo. It's unfortunate that right wing media is so prevalent and well funded, but if there is an answer to that, it's not going back to the days when Walter Cronkite, CBS, and Gulf+Western would tell us "That's the way it is".

I can't respect conservatives because lying is their first go to on any issue. Instead of trying to convince people that their plans are good, they just lie about their plans. (Which is unsurprising, because their plans have been proven not to work.)

I hope that every Republican angry that a Democrat might do something good steps on a LEGO tonight.

I'm sure the FEC will jump right on that.