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Looks good, thanks!

The RAM use kept growing until it locked up and I got booted back to the login screen, losing everything unsaved. Now it's back to normal but when I run free -m the numbers match what's in the GUI.

I'm pretty sure the culprit was a website for uploading photos for printing. Something odd about it, I did upload 1,000 photos at about 2GB total, but it was sucking up RAM Like crazy. Firefox was using some fifty-something GB of RAM.

So if we say Firefox is using 4GB which seems pretty normal, then add on normal background apps Element, Beeper, Signal, Caprine, each using 1GB with no window open for some reason. Steam uses 2GB just to run in the background. The only window open is Firefox and I'm already at 10GB without counting what the system needs.

I normally also have Joplin open, there's another 1GB. And Nextcloud in the background + Betterbird for email, together another 1GB.

Now if I want to actually do something, I might open a JetBrains IDE like PHPStorm which if I open 2 windows with 2 different projects could easily take 4GB.

No VMs. The RAM usage kept climbing until I was crashed out to the login screen and lost everything that was open. It seemed to be a particular website that gobbled RAM.

The back calls it "Tasty cheddar cheese":

Weird. If I was going to saturate my GPU, I'd pick an intensive game. Seems odd that a gaming laptop might get overwhelmed and shut off if a game is too intensive? Or is is something special about LLMs that make it the Archilles' heel?

I don't remember those days. I used Windows 3.1 (with DOS for games) at a relatives house, but it was too early for me to understand about the hardware. We also had some Apple computers at school with I think 5 1/4" floppy disks but again I didn't really get technically savvy until I was older.

The first PC we had at home was Windows 95. I seem to recall we had a pretty decent amount of RAM. Maybe 32MB or perhaps even 64MB.

At the moment that's entirely plausible. Maybe they are a harbinger, just not for earthquakes.

Ah I didn't spot that when copying over from last year.

I guess it's a bit more nuanced, too. I probably would have changed it to Mbin/Kbin.

Kbin the platform is no longer being developed, replaced by the fork Mbin. But there are still instances called Kbin that are running the Mbin software, e.g. https://kbin.earth/

It was! There is actual potential if it turned out to have a basis, and to be fair it's likely worth the time to do a study on any widespread myth/old wives tale like that because you never know if there might be something to it, and if there's not well at least now you have proof.

Other types of cheese are available, it's just that cheddar is not clearly labeled as such since it's kind of the "default".

E.g.

Yeah the cache as part of used memory theory didn't stack up. This comment (sorry, Lemmy probably doesn't handle the link well) showed 54GB in use, 30GB cached, and 13GB available. 54+12 = 67GB total so cached doesn't seem to be counted as in use since it should be counted as free (mostly).

In the end, I'm pretty sure it's a memory hog website. It kept filling up until GNOME crashed and I lost my progress (I was trying to order prints for 1000 photos on a horrible website that made me change settings one photo at a time, and the longer I took the more RAM filled up).

Anyway the fact that you can’t run Linux with 16GB is weird

I mean, it runs fine. It's more how I'm using it. Firefox 4GB, Element 1GB, Signal 1GB, Beeper 1GB, Steam 2GB, Joplin 1GB. That's all just open and idle (chats and Steam don't even have windows, just background) and are the minimum I would have open at any point. That's already 10GB. By the time I open a couple of windows in a Jetbrains IDE or a particularly demanding website and suddenly it's suffocating.

In NZ English... "Cheese". Though we do have a term "tasty" for a 12-18 month aged cheddar cheese that I don't think is commonly used elsewhere. At the supermarket you're likely to see "mild" or "tasty" not "cheddar".

In Māori, "tīhi". It's a transliteration of "cheese" into a language that has neither a "ch" nor a "s" sound.

Well in a turn of events, the stupid photo printing website I was using just kept filling RAM up until it was full then GNOME crashed me back to the login page.

Well top currently shows:

    
MiB Mem :  64076.1 total,   2630.3 free,  51614.1 used,  34046.9 buff/cache     
MiB Swap:   4096.0 total,      2.3 free,   4093.7 used.  12462.0 avail Mem 


  

While the "Mission Center" app shows:

Thanks!

Haha when they did that blog post to change the switch from 8/10 to 4/10 saying they don't normally do that but wanted to make sure you could compare the 2 properly against the original, I thought they were making space for the 2 to be above the original, not that they were going to mark it as worse 😅

Oh the applications sure were using a lot of RAM, I can't deny that.

How does that happen? Shouldn't the GPU and CPU have thermal throttling so even under intense loads it just slows down to keep temps down?

When I play games on my laptop the integrated graphics are at 100% most of the time but it doesn't cause the system to crash.

Yeah it's pretty rare so whatever system they are using is surely working fine most of the time.