Daryl @ Daryl @lemmy.ca

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'Farm workers' are not included in manufacturing, they are in agriculture. Mentioning farm workers makes the rest of your 'facts' suspect. In point of fact, the agricultural labor market in America is giving the manufacturing labor market a run for it money, in terms of 'total wages'.

As the article states, the remaining US industries are primarily automated, requiring fewer employees. Mexico is becoming highly automated, as the American corporate world is building the automated plants in Mecico, not America, and a lot of US manufacturing jobs are leaving for Mexico. The jobs left after automation are usually low-wage 'floor sweeper/packager' jobs.

However, all of the manufacturing jobs Trump is trying to get back are all in the low productivity range. He wants to bring back mining jobs, for instance, in an industry that is already highly automated, or steel industry hard labor jobs in mothballed obsolete steel plants that are just not viable anymore. The only way the US will bring back mining jobs is to start digging mines by hand again. On the other hand, most Canadian industries are already highly productive. If they were not, at the Canadian minimum wage they would not be competitive. Most of the Canadian auto industry jobs have gone high automation, just to be competitive. Canadian manufacturing wages are actually higher than American wages. American wages are in the bottom level of income. The Southern 'right to work' wage rate is below the poverty level. We pay our auto workers more, but they are far more productive than American workers.

The piece that is missing is that Canada by and large has a population that has obtained a much higher tech education level than the US. Whereas the US just does not have the population sufficiently educated enough to do the jobs required in the remaining high-tech high-productive manufacturing demands, Canada has the educated labor force to actually run these highly automated high production machines.

That is why China is beating the pants off the US when it comes to automation. Not only is China and Asia in general building a highly automated highly productive manufacturing base, they are producing the graduates who can design, build, run, and repair these machines.

The referenced article does address the issue that American manufacturing wages are declining into the slave labor category. The decline of unionization has a lot to do with it. On the other hand, Chinese manufacturing wages are going up, moving the employees into the middle income group.

The rule of thumb is not just bout population, but in applying it to other comparisons, so I think the 1 to 10 ratio is usually 'close enough'. Certainly, if the US closes their doors completely it immigration, and as well keeps removing 'aliens', that ratio will certainly skew more and more in Canada's favor.

What we need is an auto pact with China. A tit-fr-tat cross-border supply chain. They make cars in Canada, buy parts from the Canadian supply chain for cars they make in China. and everyone wins.

Their labor standards are a LOT higher than those in the US.

The computers in cars can NOT be 'bricked',updated OS or not. You need a LOT of evidence to support that claim'

You mean like Dief the Chief, under the Conservative banner, dismantled the Avro Arrow? I hear you.

Actually, IBM is doing a LOT of research into chip assembly - in its huge mega-plant in Quebec. Also employing Canadian engineering graduated from Canadian universities to do the research. American universities just can not produce the quality of graduates Waterloo can. Even at MIT, around half of the graduate students are non-American born and educated.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/trump-universities-war-america-coming-brain-drain

This technology was so highly classified that any mention of it by those developing it would lead to their lifetime incarceration, stated clearly in the non-disclosure agreements they had to sign They could not even mention the theory and general technology behind it. The background tech only came to the public attention when Russia and China started commercializing it, and this forced the Americans to acknowledge it. It was a Russian ice breaker that was the first commercial vessel to use nuclear power, and even at that it was wrapped in military secrecy. But America refused to allow any development on a Western equivalent for 'military security' reasons.

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/commercial-nuclear-adoption-ship

But the most effective way for America to completely prevent any development of this nuclear technology was to make it essentially impossible for any commercial outfit to get insurance on these propulsion systems, making it impossible for them to enter any port.

This is actually exactly what is happening in the US, where slave-wage states are substituting cheap labor for high-tech investment. They are opening up obsolete plants and running them on cheap labor. Provides abundant employment, but doesn't provide a good living for the worker, nor long term security.

On the other hand China is doing the reverse - their labor wage rate is escalating because it is the national priority to move all workers into the middle income group, and companies have to comply or face the wrath of the government.

In China, they invested hundreds of millions in capital into coal fired electrical production, just to provide the energy to get the economy booming. Now they are investing in nuclear and solar, and they are closing down all the coal plants they just built to improve quality of life. They have so much capital available, they can afford to do this, and their government philosophy goes along with it, not only supporting it but demanding it.

We will see which philosophy wins.

The only way Canada can compete is to change our model.

I am from Hamilton. I am well aware of what happened to Dofasco. Once a proud and mighty company, now a branch plant.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/arcelormittal-dofasco-decarbonization-update-1.7309360

ArcelorMital is NOT Dofasco. Same building, different company, different management, different decision makers. No loyalty or commitment to Hamilton. While Europe does, Canada just dithers. Now the big decisions are all made off shore. The original Dofasco, in its heyday, would have made the investment sooner. That company was a world leader.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64538296

Will we ever see headlines like the above?THAT would ensure Canada's future.

But now it allows the same top-secret ultra-classified reactors that were once limited to military craft to be used on container ships and oil tankers. Pollution-free ocean shipping.

The problem was allowing Apps to run on the smart phone and still maintain the tight security of the Blackberry. Security lost to Apps, and look where we are now?

That's not to say it could go the way of the Avro Arrow.

We were there in China in 2016, but what happened since?

https://firstalberta.ca/blog/2016/08/18/local-team-wins-big-at-chinese-robotics-challenge-tournament/

Here is the most recent reference to the Chinese competition, but no mention of Canada.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202503/17/WS67d80547a310c240449db48a.html

https://frc-events.firstinspires.org/2025/CNSH

These are considered 'small' because of their footprint, not just their output. They are absolutely safe, since if they malfunction they just solidify, they do not go into melt down. It is the same technology that is used in the reactors in submarines and aircraft carriers, and believe me, those are SMALL. China is making them small enough to fit in shipping containers, to be shipped and assembled in remote communities. The one Canada is building is, however, on the larger scale of these SMR's. China is building them by the dozens.

It is actually the technology itself that makes them part of the SMR family - far removed from the technology used in conventional large scale nuclear reactors.

And the fact that they have been used in nuclear submarines for over 50 years does NOT make the technology 'new'. It is not just 'talk', it is proven, built, and tested over decades of continuous use, albeit top secret use.

It was even rumored by engineering students that there was one under the greenhouse of a Canadian university, operated in complete highest-level secrecy, been there since the '80's. Used in the development of the reactors used in the American submarines. But that was just an unfounded rumor.

Say what you want, this was peer reviewed and an established fact. It attracted the attention of Bezos as an investor. It actually has been reviewed by fusion expert, and definitely not a scam. The Canadian government has already investigated and has funded it. This is reality.

I am saying that each of these students would give perspective based on where they came from. We had a map of the world,with flags on each country where a student was from. It was essentially a high school that was in a part of Mississauga that had a population predominantly of new immigrants. It was a particularly transient population. You know, that OTHER 20%. Given the population of Mississauga, that is still a very large number. Middle East, Africa, South America, they were from all over.

See these for a news release on their success.

https://www.biv.com/news/bc-company-plans-to-ignite-fusion-within-three-years-10388342

(https://thedebrief.org/made-in-canada-fusion-breakthrough-could-change-the-future-of-global-energy/)

https://globalnews.ca/news/11103324/bc-fusion-reaction-milestone/

https://generalfusion.com/post/peer-reviewed-publication-confirms-plasma-energy-confinement-time-for-lm26/

The Trump administration undoubtedly read this, and now they want to steal the technology from Canada, or kill it.

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