Cris @ Cris_Color @lemmy.world

Hello, my name is Cris. :)

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I didn't know that, that definitely helps

Yeah, I agree.

When it comes to building a fediverse service there's a really delicate balance to find with making it unambiguous you're engaging with multiple services, vs creating a singular and cohesive enough user experience, and it seems like the peertube devs just learn reaaally far towards the former at the expense of the latter.

Its a bit frustrating.

Edit: I learned from another user on this thread that sepia search can be enabled by an instance as their search functionality. That definitely helps

That's fair, but I can't really speak for those people... I can only speak for me.

It kinda feels like your stance in this interaction is maybe about more than just the point that I was making, and while that'd be fair (I'm sure a lot of people have voiced their frustrations in crap ways) that would definitely explain why it's felt like you're talking past me

I don't know anything about alien.top. Are those the mirrored communities from reddit, or a different thing? If it is, I didn't even know that was your project when I mentioned them

I don't think you're really even arguing with me anymore... It sounds like everything in my first comment you also plan to do or more-or-less agree with, and you're just kinda frustrated with the broader discussion? I understand you've interacted with a lot more people than me, but I can't really speak for anyone else, and I think I've voiced my perspective/opinion in a way that was generally pretty polite and constructive

My brother in Christ, it's a community built service that runs on donations.

Building infrastructure to process those donations is not "enshitification" 😅

Lol, you're fine, it just made me remember I appreciate them and it seemed as good an opportunity as any to share :)

Have a good one!

Sorry I was still making changes to my comment to try and convey what I mean, its a bit different now. I'll read this I'm the morning

I don't want you to not post at all...? My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.

Mostly I just wanted to express that I thought thinking about the human aspect of how your plan will be recieved is important...

I don't think I said not to post at all at any point, did I..? (I'm falling alseep, I'll look back at my comments when I'm more awake) I don't want that at all.

When I said I hoped you were able to support the discussion you wanted to I meant via post mirroring, though looking at my wording I'm realizing I could have been more specific. I just wanted you to be mindful of folks who are here for organic traffic and would be frustrated if you aren't intentional about what you wanna build and how.

I think theres maybe been a breakdown in communication

Thank you, that's very kind of you :)

I literally made suggestions in my first comment along side explaining why I thought it was important to find compromises, and you argued with my reasoning for suggesting compromise so I don't think it was unreasonable for me to assume you were opposed to my position that considering people's dislike of bots and non organic traffic in your approach

There's no conflict of interest if we both want compromise, so I'm not sure why youd argue with my reasons and tell me you "don't care" about the reasons I'd want compromise on this issue, while also saying you want compromise... I'm sincerely confused by that

It sounds like we agree...?

I don't mind bots, it's the details of how they can impact the user experience in some cases that causes issues for me. On several occasions I've defended bots being on lemmy and the Fedivers. And I switched instances because curating my feed by moving back to .world was easier than chasing down all the mirrored comms and slowly blocking all of them, and I'm not opposed to those comms existing, but I can absolutely empathize with why so many on lemmy don't like them. I'm not at all opposed to curating my feed, I also have a couple comms blocked.

My point was really just that it's understandable people would be frustrated if you're impeding their ability to do something they expect they should be able to do. Sure it's fixable, but no one expects to have to filter out a torrent of empty bot posts, because why would they? And most folks here are opposed to that kind of traffic. When you create a new problem that people hadn't even anticipated could be an issue, people will find that frustrating, and they'll view it as a problem that didn't need to exist in the first place

I can empathize with your desire to supplement content with automation, but I'm not getting the impression you're able to empathize with anyone else's perspective. There's probably a way of going about this that wouldn't cause any realy issue for folks, but you're definitely not going to find it if you just refuse any opportunity to learn from the perspectives being voiced to you.

You're now more or less trying to psychoanalyze the people telling you they don't like what you want to do instead of trying to understand why and find a path that's more pro-social.

If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy, it's worth considering whether all of the people replying are wrong, or if you, the person who's trying to figure out how to do a thing lots of people are telling you would make them unhappy, are in the wrong

I won't be replying further, I don't get the impression you care what my perspective, or anyone else's is, so I'm not going to spend more time voicing it. I hope you have a good day, take care.

I don't think that really changes my point 😅

People like having both. People browse browse either all feed for similar reasons, or at least I do. I much preferred when r/all wasn't personalized at all.

I like it for discovery and seeing what else folks are chatting about. You get to see what's worth talking about in so many different communities, big and small. So many subcultures and communities, ones you're loosely familiar with, and ones you straight up didn't know exist, and everything in between. Big communities you want to check in on like the politics stuff but that you don't want to dominate your feed. And novel things you'd have never found otherwise. And when it's flooded with automated posts I can see why people would be frustrated that they can't interact with part of the user experience in the way they want

I switched off .ee when there were a ton of subs being mirrored from reddit that .ee was federated with (it seems to have died down now?), and c/all was just a neverending stream of posts with no one talking or engaging. Just empty posts taking up like half of c/all. It meant I couldn't engage with the platform in the way I wanted, so I changed instance back to my previous .world account so I could use c/all again, I really missed it.

I wanna talk to folks, and see new things. Making sure communities keep going and can sustain themselves is important but the point of social media is usually to socialize, or at least lurk and observe other people socializing, even on a more anonymous site like reddit or lemmy 😅 I think balance is important

I appreciate the camaraderie displayed by the fact that his pants are also stuffed with okra

They're in it together 😔

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Hell yeah, that's sick 😊

I mean... I used to browse r/all on reddit where there was absolutely no dearth of content. Some folks just like being able to scroll through the bigger global stuff too.

Lots of people did that on reddit. I don't mean to come across as rude or confrontational, but I do kinda feel you might be making assumptions about how people want to engage with link aggregator sites like reddit or lemmy based on how you like to engage with them. People don't just browse the "all" feed if there's not enough in their subscriptions. Sometimes it's nice to see what people are discussing across the broader social space here

If that's flooded with inorganic posts, it changes the experience and takes away someone's ability to do something they wanted to be able to do, and when that happens people generally find it frustrating, even if they can fix it by going around and blocking the communities flooding the all feed. And that frustration is even bigger if they feel like inorganic content doesn't belong on Lemmy, which isn't exactly an uncommon sentiment. I don't mind inorganic posts personally, but I do think the way you go about it matters.

That's just my two cents. Like I said, I'm not trying to be overly argumentative, I apologise if it feels like I'm turning things into a debate. I just felt there's a perspective missing in this discussion and wanted to contribute

I hope you can support sports discussion on Lemmy in a way you and other Lemmy users can enjoy. Hope you have a good one :)

Right, but browsing by all is nice to be able to do 😅 if you're posting so much all at the same time that it's flooding "c/all" or whatever, then I'm not surprised people would be unhappy

They had a way of engaging with the platform they were happy with, so if abnormal posting patterns of inorganic content kinda ruined that for them, of course they're gonna be unhappy about it 😅

Its not unreasonable for people to want the option to use c/all and/or their front page at their discretion, that's why both are there lol. I visit both regularly for different reasons. My feed is mostly small niche communities and then I like to go check out the larger global discussions

I don't think it's particularly fair to argue "well if everyone just engages with this platform in one narrow way (in spite of it having other options baked into it) they wouldn't have this problem"

Like... Sure, but they might not want to engage with it in that one very narrow way 😅 and that'd be entirely valid.

When chatting with the guy who curates a feed of loops to post I suggested maybe slowing down the rate of posts because it was drowning everything out for me, and he kindly obliged.

Curration and spacing things out a little bit might also be a good solution here :)

I always enjoy seeing pug Jesus posts cause he posts little context blurbs for his history memes so I get to learn about stuff, and sometimes I've asked him stuff and he's taught me all about certain parts of history ☺️

His memes come with story time lol.

If you intend to create inorganic content like that maybe the best solution would be a dedicated community so that folks who are happy to have updates and be able to discuss with folks can go there, and other folks can avoid it

You might also be able to organize with certain communities and discuss what kinda stuff they'd appreciate you mirroing or posting automatically. But I wouldn't go doing it without talking with the folks running those comms personally.

I get that's not what you wanna discuss, but as I think you can see that's pretty important to the culture of this space for a lot of people, and anything you build will be more successful if you're mindful of that human aspect. It's at least as important as any technical choice, if not more

(Overlooking the human or social considerations for purely technical ones is a open source community pet-peeve of mine. Everything here is intrinsically collaborative and needs to be pro-social to truly succeed.)

Regardless, I hope you're able to support the sports discussions on Lemmy you wanna see thrive. Just remember, more content than people can engage with dilutes the engagement and makes it harder for folks to find themselves in the same space such that human interaction can happen. Ultimately that's the point of online social spaces :)

You're right, that's very true.

Like I said, I don't think it's really what a platform like lemmy is for

Piefed is another fediverse link aggregator project, like lemmy and kbin

https://piefed.social/

You'll periodically see piefed accounts if you pay attention to user instances here :)