Cranakis @ Cranakis @lemmy.one

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Here's something I want to know more about too. I started searching and found this first and it's pretty intriguing.

History appears to have been a powerful influence on John, including the then-recent Jewish uprising against Rome (66-70 CE), which led to the destruction of Jerusalem by victorious Roman armies. “We can’t understand this book,” said Pagels of Revelation, “unless we know it is war literature.”

and

Revelation, the final book in the New Testament, was “squeezed into the canon in the fourth century,”

from here. This bit from Wikipedia is interesting too.

Wow! I said "teach me something" and you delivered. Thank you. I didn't know any of this and want to dig in now. Have a good reference for me to start with on the subject of Lucretius?

I also had a pretty early love of reading but not that early for me. I am a bit jealous that you were able to cut through it all so early, to be honest. I read it the first time in my teens and that's when my faith fell apart.

Gotta round out the super villain motif...

I think you will eventually realize that Christianity is all nonsense friend. That is for the best in my opinion. I have only an objective lens on the Bible. It fails chapter by chapter, book by book, in my opinion. There is nothing there worthy to build your own morality, faith, or life on.

Click on those links. Read the forwards and footnotes.

Thank you for the reply. There is a bunch to unpack here. Give me a day or so. I have more to say here but will consider what you've written here for a sec first please.

Edit: Well I couldn't sleep so I came back to it. See below:

A truthful thoughtful response.

I am a progressive Christian who has read the Bible through many times. I was a pastor for many years, though am no longer.

I have criticisms'a'plenty for "progressive Christianity." In my old age I've come to blame progressive Christians for perpetuating a problem. I do understand it though and have empathy. My own brother is a progressive Christian. It's better than evangelical or fundamentalist for sure. "Pastor" means nothing to me though. I've known a bunch of pastors that didn't know jack shit but thought they knew everything. So color me skeptical on your actual, factual knowledge of the Bible.

...The Old Testament is its own thing...I’m going to leave that there for now...

So, I win? The Old Testament is nonsense, right?

The gospels, are not historical accounts...they’re not meant to be an impartial....each author had a specific goal....four different answers

Aren't you making my point for me here?

This isn’t unusual, especially in ancient writings, but even in modern history, differing recorded accounts doesn’t mean the event didn’t transpire.

Yeah yeah. There probably was a person named Jesus who thought he was god and was crucified. I give you that. I think that is not enough to base an entire faith on.

As for the gospels being written in Greek, that’s entirely normal.

What? For scholars maybe but this is Judean Jews. Would any of the apostles have spoken Greek? It was written in Greek to give it legitimacy among the rest of the cult at the time probably. Who knows. Why did it take so long to write it down also, if there are all these Greek speaking Judeans running around?

there is no scholarly consensus...It is hardly impossible

You are making my point again. It does actually seem impossible, to me.

Paul...hijacked nascent Christianity to create a cult...

I think now that Paul probably saved the early cult of Christianity from extinction. He bound it with common laws and goals and packaged it for the masses. Added salvation and strapped hell to the penalty for disobedience making the religion infectious.

We clearly disagree on Paul, I think, and his motivations. Seems like you agree with me more than you think though.

Cry while jerking off to men

🤣 Damn Paul, way to fuck it up for everyone else for 2000 years!

Preach.

For the curious. I'm not giving you the verse. Context is important. At least read the whole chapter. (there are footnotes because this isn't a propaganda Bible).

• Romans Chapter 1 - Paul is religion building. I bet he'd be fucking stunned it went this far.
• 1 Corinthians Chapter 6 - More religion building. Here's what we allow and don't. Probably largely built around what the target audience for means of convincing them to adopt the same rules and come on board (my opinion).
• 1 Timothy Chapter 1 - This one is weak where Paul is just condemning "sodomites" in a letter to Timothy.

Seems like Paul has a problem with gays for whatever reason to me.

Edit: And notice how it is in the first chapter 2 of 3 times. I bet Paul had a list stuck to the wall in the letter writing room. Probably next to some gay pin up art that he hated himself for loving.

They. Really. Don’t. Like. Organized. Religion. Nor its leaders. Nor its politics and social stances.

Yes, YES!!!, and Yes.

Edit: Personally I am an atheist. I went through a long agnostic, hopeful phase while deconstructing. Even now, as an apostate to my original faith, I hope to find some higher truth still. Higher than I know now. That cause still seems worthy.

Christianity fails. At every turn. My indoctrination still affects me even past middle age. It is difficult to overcome childhood indoctrination. It isn't right to do to children. It starts with genital mutilation, for boys, and some very early sexualizing coupled with shaming and dominating for girls. Looking back on more than half my life now, I see how much it fucked me and everyone I grew up with really.

Liz says she thinks he will lose. I hope she's right.

That treasonous rat Jim Jordan is so full of shit. [Dismissed the Jan 6 committee as a "partisan witch hunt"](Jim Jordan Refuses to Cooperate With Jan. 6 Panel https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/09/us/politics/jim-jordan-jan-6-panel.html) then turns around and starts an actual partisan witch hunt once the GOP took the house.

I mean.... Could they really make it worse? Gaetz already aired all the dirty laundry on the house floor. We all know how screwed up the GOP is...

That's pretty much where I am too. It occurred to me though that, since this community is new, most of the current members may fall into the same category as us. I wonder if we really have that many members struggling with or starting deconversion currently.

With that in mind, I was also trying to think of other content that would "help the helpers" or maybe just content that's interesting or entertaining for the deconverted. The goal being to drive discussion and engagement while we grow.

That's rich. Nah Sidney.

Time to pay for all that treason.

Ain't no hate like Christian love.

their search engine is better than everyone else's

It's not though. You never even get to see what the competition would be because they lock competitors out of the market.

I'm really happy about the case against them. This trial is uncovering a bunch of dirty tricks they use. They have far too much power and far too much of our data and are abusing it.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

I don't think he, or people that think like him, realize how many non Christians there are in America. They would have an unwinnable battle if they actually tried to enact anything this idiot suggests. Still, it worries me that people like this are able to get elected at all.

Please vote

Oh yeah. Don't forget the oil.

That reminds me. Did you hear about this a few years ago? Scam involving a "miraculous" oil Bible.

Yes. Thank you. I'm here for it.

And I agree. I'm old and I sometimes pine for the old days on the Internet, when the dumber amongst us were effectively locked out.