What is the Legal copyright on a Lemmy Post?
Cosmic Cleric @ CosmicCleric @lemmy.world Posts 1Comments 3,230Joined 2 yr. ago
Cosmic Cleric @ CosmicCleric @lemmy.world
Posts
1
Comments
3,230
Joined
2 yr. ago
I can go and add that to my ToS right now, that anything you give me will be trained. I say in there that I will disregard any license on there, and by placing anything on my server you are relieving yourself of any license. Since it’s my server, I can say that. “If you don’t want your data trained on, don’t put it on my server.”
So you're setting up a straw man by adding the TOS clause of ownership on the posting server to your example. I'm not saying that. The issue being discussed by me in response to your comment was if a license on content that is being federated stays with the content or is somehow magically stripped off when its federated.
As far as your TOS example goes, If Lemmy World added to their TOS that any content added to their site they own, then I wouldn't post any content on Lemmy, as I want to keep ownership of my content.
But since Lemmy World does not do that (smartly so for safe harbor reasons), then the creator of the content is the owner of the content, and if they license that content it carries forward as the content is federated. Its up to the receiver of the federated content to reject the content, or abide by its licensing.
All fediverse apps start on your instance
You forgot about the web client.
You’re literally giving it to anyone who would listen.
The quantity of sharing does not dimish the licensing of the content.
So to me copyright is like saying “only people I approve of can look at this sign” and then posting that sign on every tree and post in town
I mean, ProPublica has explicit instructions on how to share their content with others, content that is licensed with a Creative Commons license, and that includes displaying the license number, when you share the content.
If someone includes it at the bottom of all their comments, but never launches legal action when someone violates that licence agreement, then it’s literally useless.
Well, its 'poisoning the well'. What happens next depends.
For AI companies that actually honor licensing, or are fearful of getting caught at some point, they'll honor/follow the license for the content.
And for those who do not, if they get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, Creative Commons (and other license creators) will have something to say about it. And they will get caught, we all know about black-box programming their models from the outside via our comments.
Finally, Congress right this second is considering new laws about this, so you never know. Companies in the future may be forced to have to explicitly state where the content comes from that they train their AI models on.
As far as wasting my time, all I do is copy/paste this one line of text via a macro keypress ...
[~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)
Its a momentary thing, so no effort at all.
Whereas Lemmy and fediverse you’re giving your stuff out license free to anyone,
- Unless you attach a license to your content.
- Even if you don't license it explicitly, there's default implied copyright law on how your content can be used.
.
and any other server can have their own terms. Such as “By giving me your data you are giving it to me license free, and remove yourself of all ownership.” Unless it’s specifically defederated, well there’s no way of you knowing and so you give your data.
If you license your content, that license travels with the content, and has to be honored on other servers (Federated or otherwise).
The license is with the content, and not the server the content is first posted to.
What does a judge say in that case?
"Other server owners, did you follow the license that the content is licensed with? No?" <smacks them with the gavel>
You said not to use it, but you put it on a server that said they can use it however they want.
Lemmy.World's TOS does not claim ownership of our content that is posted/shared to their server. So they can't use it however they want, they do not own the content, each individual poster still does.
And they don't want to own our content, as that's one hell of a 'safe harbor' law exposure/risk for them, if they start to do that.
From the article...
It did manage, however, to release a truly bizarre app for iOS and Android devices that requires two smartphones or tablets to work. One device displays the game and the other acts as a controller. It’s a weird idea and, according to Kotaku, "one janky piece of crap."
The only reason I can think of them doing that is maybe because of CPU overutilization?
Either that, or they wanted to set one up as a game server, and then have multiple phones be the clients. They just forgot to add the feature to let the server run locally on the client.
Deleted
Permanently Deleted
Jump
because its stock continues to skyrocket behind the exciting news that AI will continue to be shoved into every aspect of all of its products until morale improves,
Okay, I have to admit, this made me laugh. Definitely commentary, but still, a good read.
Metaphorically, it seems like an animal chewing its own foot off, when trying to escape a trap.
Gives off vibes like its trying to protect the rest of itself, especially after so many years of being a monolithic company.
Copyright is more than that, like who is allowed to make commercial use of a given work. Just because something is written down in a public forum doesn’t give everyone free rein to do whatever they want with it under copyright.
This.
Can you imagine the fucking mess comment threads would be like that? 😂
A single sentence, in a small font?
I could see the pillars of Lemmy crashing down even now. /s
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the person who effectively “owns” the content you produce on Lemmy and has the right to license it be the person who runs the instance your account is signed up to?
No. The TOS does not claim ownership of the content being posted.
You should read the article yourself. There license has nothing to do with AI.
I have. The description of the usage of the license is accurate. I used to just put 'Creative Commons License' but others were asking me about the purpose of using the license. I saw someone else use that description (they also add licensing to their content/comments), and just used it for mine as well.
Creative Commons solves a particular problem for us – how to encourage republication at scale without tying up staff in negotiating deals and policing unauthorized uses. We’ve found it an invaluable aid in building our publishing platform, in reaching additional readers, and in maximizing the chance that the journalism we publish will have important impact.
You need to stop pointing at ProPublica as if you’re copying them, because you aren’t.
I am though. Its showing a justification that a post/comment can be licensed. I mean, by default all content is already licensed, I'm just licensing mine with a more restrictive license to prevent commercial usage.
The reason people are annoyed by you is because it amounts to spam.
Its not spam, it has a purpose. Its not advertising.
It could be client specific as well.
And yes, if a client can't support subscript/superscript fonts, per Lemmy's formatting instructions, then the user needs to contact the devs of their client, to fix that problem.
The irony being that originally I wasn't using a sub/superscript font, but I was getting complaints about the regular sized font being used for the license declaration, so I tried making it smaller as a compromise.
I really like it. Except your spam is everywhere you are and takes up screen real estate. This is again where ProPublica differs. On the post you keep referring to, there is not a link to the license, just the lettering at the top of a lengthy article.
Well, give me another way of licensing my content and how that license is displayed and travels with the content as it's federated,, and I'll use it.
Otherwise, you can't format the Internet to look just like how you personally want to see it.
And I'd argue the constant derailing of OPs with this same argument that never comes to a resolution time and time again does not help with how many times you see my license being displayed in my comments.
I'm sorry, but I have the right to license my content. Its not my responsiblity to format my posts/comments to your approval. And if you feel listing a license for my posts/comments is spam, feel free to block me, because I'm not going to stop doing it.
ProPublica didn’t post that to Lemmy, they publish to their own site. Someone else (PirateJesus) copy-pasted their article and posted it here.
That article is licensed by ProPublica though, with that Creative Commons license. Its just being noted in the Lemmy post, per these instructions.
Per ProPublica, including a Creative Commons license in your post/comments is a valid thing to do, when sharing their articles. You can't hand-wave that away, citing the license in which an article is being shared as part of the post/comment is a valid thing to do.
Nobody with a cringey sovereign citizen boomer-type signature on each of their comments gets to remark on anyone else’s peculiarities 😅
Doesn't seem to be a 'cringy sovereign citizen boomer-type signature' for ProPublica: https://lemmy.world/comment/9850401
Edit: Here’s a great Ask Lemmy from a few weeks ago all about this https://lemmy.ml/post/15152684
If you are going to include that link, you should also include this one, which shows that ProPublica does the same thing: https://lemmy.world/comment/9850401
What on earth is that link at the bottom of your comment? Are you…licensing it?
Its done manually, a copy and paste of the following text ...
[~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)
What’s with the signature thing in your comments?
Its done manually, a copy and paste of the following text ...
[~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)
How do you add some text automatically to the comments/posts? Or do you do it manually?
Its done manually, a copy and paste of the following text ...
[~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)
Ocean Front Property
Thank you! Didn't know the artist's work.
He’d be rounding out his second term right now. He was clearly up to the task. I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes.
I fear that if things get any worse, we'll have to "Weekend at Bernie's" him.
You keep arguing the wrong point.
No one is saying you can't on your server create a TOS that says that anyone who puts content on your server that you then own that content, you become the owner. That's not what's being discussed.
The point is because of various reasons like safe harbor and PR, Lemmy World and other servers in the Federation are not claiming ownership.
When you post your comment on the Lemmy World server, you still own it, and you can license that content that you own in any way that you like, and that license is on the content, not on the server, so as that content is federated, that license travels with it and is still in action, and must be abided by.
I feel confident in my position, because if we went with your position then it would be very easy to "money launder" anyone's content by just passing it through a third party Federated server with a TOS that says they own any content on their server. I'm pretty sure the big boys who own content aren't going to allow that to happen, and would talk to their friends in Congress about it.
It's really mostly existing basic content law. It's not as cloudy and up in the air as everyone wants to say it is, there's just a new wrinkle to it, and I'm pretty sure those in power will make sure everything stays status quo.
Anti Commercial-AI license (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)