Clubbing4198 @ Clubbing4198 @lemmy.world

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they always have been thrown under the bus not just this time around.

you are enabling biden and establishment democrats by voting for them. you are sending a message saying that you are ok with how badly they are failing. you can't hold them accountable after they get elected.

you’re just helping Trump

i know its easy to think that way but not voting for biden doesn't mean i'm enabling trump.

The Biden administration has been much more forthcoming toward Gaza and Palestine than Trump and Republicans would ever be.

Oh yea, is voting against every UN ceasefire resolution your idea of forthcoming? Or maybe pulling aid to UNRWA? Or letting big tech use AI and other technology in the assault on Gaza?

Y'all are on this kick of, "if you don't vote my way, you're wrong. If you abstain from the vote, its your fault the country goes into chaos" As if there aren't political and business forces that have been around and created establishments that prevent real meaningful change because it would mean power transfer and reversal.

All the dems can do to muster up votes is try to convince people that they aren't evil republicans. Sorry I'm a little harder to get and its not my fault that they aren't good enough.

look at that you can't claim that I'm wrong cause there are children dying in gaza due to US voting against a ceasefire. all you can claim is that its propaganda simply because it is critical of biden's administration or US foreign policy. And people call me a snowflake....

explain how? biden is a self proclaimed zionist. hes not stopping israel anytime soon. trump is a populist, failed businessman that wont stop israel either. you're response doesn't actually make sense. voting for either would actually be voting against my interests

also police brutality is a systemic issue, not a local one. you think the cops in nyc are much better?

How does this money actually get dispersed? It is not given directly to people. It is filtered through bureaucratic channels to ensure paper pushers get a 9 to 5 and pension to say they manage shit. People that need assistance routinely have to jump through hoops to qualify and are constantly at an inconvenience to appease these agents for the money to ultimately get funneled to the police somehow.

I'm not voting for either old white man not fit for office.

ok but am i wrong? can you say that children aren't being killed in gaza and biden can but won't stop it when this country is the only one voting against a ceasefire?

You can be arrested for unpaid fines bud. And how are you supposed to pay it you are homeless? And i cant because my lease states that you cant have anyone not on the lease for more than two weeks stay and most people have leases that way. Before you say why don't you buy a house. Sure, give me the down payment that I cant save up for because rent is too high and we can't do anything about it. Also you would definitely get the attn of police if you were just randomly housing unhoused folks and be suspicious as all hell of it. Direct action is highly discouraged in this country and under capitalism as a whole tbh. Thats why there is literally a non profit industrial complex raking in tons of cash from people trying to help but being told that you need to go through xyz to help people.

Stop ranting about govt programs that don't actually do anything. Also why stop calling out the prison industrial complex? Do you work for some company that is in it or serves it?

Have you ever been unhoused? They didn't put everyone in shelters because there are still people on the streets. Making it illegal only harms the unhoused. Do you know what happens in shelters? Do you know what you have to submit to? So now if you don't qualify to stay in the shelter, what then? Now you are a criminal. NYC isn't helping with a law like that. They are criminalizing homelessness which is the fault of the city. There's literally not even enough shelters to handle them. Partly because they closed a bunch of them during pandemic and never let them reopen.

Like how could anyone logically think that criminalizing homelessness would magically make them go away? Now they get to become fodder for the prison industrial complex and a body they can justify a higher police and corrections budget for.

Yet he stopped aid going to Gaza and is willing to let children go hungry there, and get bombed some more.. and just die. Theres also still children going hungry here. Bet there will be next election cycle too.

There's literally unhoused people about 5 blocks from me that just got their encampment raided. Police took their food and threw it away along with all of their belongings. The police didn't offer any help or resources either so where did this 1.7 billion go?

A national political institution not meeting our standards is not the same as a national political institution doing nothing.

Its more than not meeting our standards. It is actively working against the working and lower classes. It is not doing anything to atone for the crimes of climate change that have proven to be the fault of the US and the fossil fuel profiteers that are headquartered here. Biden and the democratic party will never attempt to seize funds from those profiteers to pay reparations to the global south. Biden and establishment democrats are not really interested in paying reparations here even. Biden thinks they did us a favor for cancelling debt if you have 12k or less. Most people have more than that from one semester of school. You also had to be paying for a set amount of time beforehand. Public service gets you a better deal but you still have to pay. Why are we the only country that has "democracy" but not social welfare anywhere near what some countries even than us have? Well because this country was always a european colonial project and it hasn't stopped being such. MAGA? No, America is an illegitimate colonial project built on slavery that hasn't been reckoned with and continues to use slavery to meet its economic goals. We are the only "democratic" country that uses forced labor as punishment during incarceration. I don't see biden or establishment democrats mentioning anything about that?! THE US STILL PROFITS OFF OF SLAVERY. Say it again and keep saying it. You are not defending some shining beacon of liberty and freedom in the darkness that is the world. America is that darkness.

Biden was working on the zionist project long before trump was in office.

Show me some meaningful changes the biden administration has made in those arenas.. We don't have federally protected trans rights. Biden ok'd new pipelines. Democrats are attacking leftists and college students and saying they are russian or chinese assets when protesting for palestine so they don't even believe in free speech. McCartheyism is on the rise and the AIPAC funded democrats don't want actual radical leftists to have any voice or power.

You're the one defending biden, show us something that will make him look more attractive other than fear mongering about a trump presidency.

hi, not right wing, not voting for biden. not voting in the general election at all. not unless there is meaningful action before the election. they want our vote bad, they have to earn it. not fear monger us into taking action for them.