BraveSirZaphod @ BraveSirZaphod @kbin.social

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I do wonder if the tankies will count a socialist country invading another country for the explicit purpose of stealing its oil as imperialism.

Congrats on realizing that both sides suck here. Welcome to nuanced centrism.

The land immediately outside Gaza has been recognized as Israel proper since the 40s, and it has never been included as part of any proposal for a Palestinian state.

So, unless your actual aim is the complete eradication of Israel entirely, there's no real grounds for criticism there. And if your aim is indeed the forced elimination of all Israelis, don't bother pretending to care about peace.

If you answer to that is to gun down and rape a bunch of people at a music festival, I'm not going to be terribly sympathetic.

That would require getting elected, which would require them being broadly popular.

Props to the graphic designer.

Now what's the exact issue you have? People who are not Israeli citizens and do not live in Israel cannot vote in Israeli elections. People who are citizens and who do live in Israel can vote. The housing discrimination that mentions is gross, I'll admit, but that's the main objectionable thing I see.

Do you want Israel to annex the West Bank or something?

Pretty much everyone I went to college with, though I won't pretend that's a representative sample at all due to the college in question.

Still, there's a lot of tech and finance workers out there.

Are you talking about Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, or Arab Israeli citizens with a Palestinian background? Because those are two very different legal categories. Arab Israelis have full legal rights. Palestinians don't, because they're not Israelis, which I'm pretty sure is something we all agree on. Israel doesn't claim them, and you'd be screaming ethnic cleansing if it did.

Gambling that Arab states actually give a shit about Palestinians beyond what domestic political advantage they can provide is a bet that hasn't generally paid off.

By this logic, Israel had already annexed all of Palestine before the 2005 withdrawal.

Not to mention, Israel has managed security in the West Bank forever. If Ramallah has actually been annexed, it's rather strange that you won't find any Jews there, and that it's actually illegal for Israelis to even visit this apparently annexed territory.

Perhaps the situation is slightly more complex than that.

Comically enough, market forces would actually help to resolve this if it weren't for zoning and other regulations making it nearly impossible to build more housing in most places.

I don't think the government views video game mod hosts as so fundamental to a healthy society that they require strong limitations on their own freedom of speech, but you're welcome to call up your representative and start a campaign for the ability to force Nexus to host Nazis if it's truly important to you.

There's the underlying basis that, on Reddit etc, you're generally viewing and discussing topics that you're already interested in, which is a massive hurdle.

I'm presuming you haven't learned much about the Kardashians on Reddit. You could, if you cared about them. I don't see how it's meaningfully different for math or anything else.

Forcing people to host speech they don't want to is far more draconian than not doing so.

You'd probably be more than a little annoyed if I put a swastika sign on your front yard and then told you that you were infringing on my right to free speech when you went to go remove it.

If you're looking for games that have nothing that might make you uncomfortable, those games do exist, but Baldur's Gate is not one of them.

For a lot of people, directly tackling elements of life that are uncomfortable or actively unpleasant is what can make a game, movie, or whatever else high quality art. Schindler's List is explicitly about one of the most horrendous chapters in all of human history, and it's also one of the greatest movies ever made. Being uncomfortable isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I'd imagine that the people who choose to work those jobs would rather prefer to make that choice themselves instead of random people telling them that they're being exploited actually and so now they're jobless, but maybe they don't actually know what's best for themselves.

You're still paying them, just less directly. It's not like a restaurant goes to a money tree to get wages for its employees; it's the same money you gave them for your food. You can price that cost directly into the menu items or have it be a separate tip, but the only effective difference is vibes.

This is not the Baldur's Gat devs dashing into the mod maker's house and holding him at gunpoint until he deletes the mod. I'd agree, that would be inappropriate.

What this is instead is the people running Nexus deciding that they don't want to be associated with this kind of content and that they are not willing to host it. If you owned a bar and it started being frequented by neo-Nazis, you'd be perfectly within your rights to kick them out, because you're a private business owner and can conduct it however you like within the bounds of the law.

Your position isn't the "live and let live" idea you think it is, because what you're in effect claiming is that the people behind Nexus should be forced to host content that they find extremely morally objectionable.

Still meaningless unless an explicit equivalence of anti-zionism to antisemitism in the context of hate crime law actually passes the Senate and gets signed by Biden to become law (and then survives the inevitable SCOTUS challenge, which it would not because political speech is incredibly protected by the First Amendment).