BoredPanda @ BoredPanda @sh.itjust.works

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"Both sides" hate each other because the conflict is over a century old by now. Both sides use terrorism against each other too. That does not mean that both sides are in the right. Is the bully who is stealing the lunch money as morally justified to fight the bullied victim, as the bullied victim who is merely trying to stop the bully from stealing their lunch money?

Do you also look at other atrocities throughout history and blame the victim for hating and fighting against their oppressor?

I guess we have to disagree. Growth is an inherently good thing in my view, and I don't based that on capitalistic ideology. Without growth, the metaphorical pie is finite. What does this mean? It means there is some distribution of this pie, however equal or unequal. Now on one side you will have people like you trying to make the distribution more equal. On the other side you will have war lords, dictators, and power hungry individuals trying to grab more of the pie for themselves. All of you will have to resort to violence to make that happen.

And the magic of economic growth is that you can enrich the world without having to physically fight other people to steal their shit.

The bottom line is, we would have even more imperialism if we did not have economic growth.

I have to differ on your last point. I don't think capitalism is necessarily at fault, nor must the working/middle classes be struggling for fascism to emerge. If anything, quite the opposite. It is the better off countries that end up turning fascist. All fascist countries are/were first world countries, in various states of advanced development.

I think it would be more accurate to say that fascism is an extreme form of imperialism, because they are ultimately very similar sentiments. A more powerful group taking advantage in various ways, of a less powerful group. Now you could say, "it's all the same thing", capitalism, imperialism, fascism, it's all the same "hierarchy is the ultimate source of evil dynamic", but it seems to me that this just reduces all these concepts to absurdity.

I was thinking of Israel actually. I don't think the comparison between the Nazis and the Soviets is apt. The ideological motivations are quite different. And it's a typical Nazi talking point to point at the Soviets and try to argue that they were worse.

Trump is called a fascist not because of his conservative/traditional rhetoric. In fact none of the alt-right are THAT conservative. I mean, Trump himself is a pretty liberal cosmopolitan playboy.

The accusation stems from his lack of respect for democracy, rule of law and his fascist behavior. Trumpism is a fascist cult in all aspects. The movement has no real coherent ideological basis. It's literally a cult of personality surrounding Trump.

Sigh. One could also make the argument that capitalism is the only reason we have democracy at all. I am not allergic to socialist thinking, but putting all the blame on capitalism for everything is intellectually lazy.

There is no "recent resurgence".

• 1. Nazis never went away. Underground Nazi groups, as well as fully fledged Nazi political parties were common throughout post-WWII Europe.
• 2. The people fighting the Nazis weren't ideologically much better than them. The Americans were still racist as fuck. The British and the French were imperialist world dominators. All of these allies were involved in their own genocides. The Soviets believed in sacrificing huge swaths of their own people to accomplish "great leaps forward".
• 3. Nazism and similiar ideologies are fundamentally based on in-group bias, and that is just something psychological. There will always be people who are more open to others and people who are less open to others.
• 4. If you look at recent wars, you will see that even the non-Nazi, "moderate", "liberal", "centrist" political parties can have blood on their hands and be complicit in atrocities very much reminiscent of the evil the Nazis committed.

I think the bottom line is, you have to unlearn a lot of the just-so narratives that you have been taught about the world.

I don't hold any ideological leanings and don't mind communists and marxists.

I insulted a mod unknowingly on a subreddit like a decade ago (all I said was that his advice was idiotic) and since then every time I mistakenly post on that subreddit, my account get permabanned and then all my other accounts get permabanned as well. What a completely stupid website.