China announces rules to keep AI bound by ‘core socialist values’
Might be a bit of digging for data for a few months first, but hey we’re materialists right?
Couldn't resist
Good tips. I actually live in a small apartment complex, but I don't even have access to sections so knocking on most doors would be a bit difficult. I've been thinking of just leaving cards in mailboxes and such with contact information in case they're interested. Do you think that'd be a good way to go, or sounds too much like a "Nigerian Prince" scam? It just so happens that I've met some interested people today outside the block, but momentum is always nice.
What does that even mean, though? It seems they're basically just committing to safe and reasonable technological development. Yeah, that's impossible under capitalism because stock line must go up, but it seems like they're conflating reviving Karl Marx as an AI with just not letting their chatbots spout nonsense.
To be fair, I have no idea how the AI world looks like in China, but elsewhere AI can mean anything from a linear regression to complex logical inference systems. With how shallow the newscorp coverage of their developments is, I'm never even sure if they're talking about LLMs or just automated logistics tools.
“This is a pretty significant set of responsibilities, and will make it hard for smaller companies without an existing compliance and censorship apparatus to offer services,” said Toner.
As if smaller companies ever had a chance with competing on this area in the first place, with the sheer amount of data and infrastructure required to put something like that online. Even the biggest companies need to do shit like this.
I think I'm at a way too early stage to start a real campaign right now, but that was useful. I'm still trying to find other like-minded tenants in my region and documenting rent prices. People are usually not very open to talking about money matters with strangers.
There's also some severe obfuscation over here with multiple agencies doing the front between both small-time and gigantic landlords. That means that a single corporation can have multiple apartments managed by completely different agencies, and there's not a single obvious opponent to do collective bargain with.
Some questions, did y'all start with support from some party or was it self-organised?
And do y'all have any demographics with the most initial success? I'm focusing right now on university students and people from other cities, but I could also find people elsewhere so we have more hands on deck.
I've heard this happens over here too, their lazy justification for it in our case is that you're still using their grid to distribute the energy. As opposed to building your own grid, I guess.
That is correct, but it's always important to make sure the "randomly chosen" bit is close to true, which is usually true (and verifiable if the methodology is accessible) in electoral polls and such, but I would hazard a guess that this is not as obviously the case in a country having a civil war, specially with an agency that goes out of its way to call one of the positions as "Russian propaganda." Their overview on methodology doesn't mention in which regions the polling was made and their (google doc) source is in Ukrainian/Russian and I can't read that.
But yeah, in general people are often too quick to dismiss surveys because of sample sizes that are unintuitively small.
Academics admit births could fall to 7 million
He noted that the number of newborns this year could be as low as 7 million.
Kinda subtle but the original source just lists 7 million as a lower limit, but this weirdo website cites it as the prediction. They also use the pronoun "he," but as far as I know the more famous Qiao Jie from Peking University is a woman. Might want something straight from that conference, which the Global Times doesn't provide even a name.
I doubt their performance will matter much in such a short notice for the first round, since they were already trailing behind at 8-10%, but whoever joins together with them in the second round might get a good boost. It seems like Luiza González (the leading candidate from the Revolutionary Citizen movement, name unrelated) is taking this issue very seriously (interview with her), while the 2nd place Topíc can barely be found talking about it (despite framing himself as a soldier/security kinda guy).
González-González alliance might be incoming during the second round to confuse all the foreign observers. Anybody with boots on ground/more familiarity can correct me there?
!remindme 7 days 1984 years
Edit: go away
Okay I'm going to stop you there. Do a proper analysis. You seem to want me to think your whole argument for you rather than making yourself clear.
First, have the demands ever been made? You flip flop on that a lot.
Then, are the demands based in facts? You also seem to flip flop on whether that is true.
And only then can you tell me whether they are morally justifiable or not.
And after that tell me why or why not can NATO validate and concede on those demands, and whether they're partly to blame for this war.
Since those are the only ones you cited right now (because your memory is very wonky), focus on Azov and the two independent republics.
You have a whole week to write because I won't reply until next Saturday, since I'm no longer cooking. Don't get too lonely.
Good point, I mixed up the articles about this, the Guardian doesn't even list the demands one by one. Here's one that lists all demands, which don't list the Nazis or Donbas directly, though those have been complained about before (see Putin speech earlier on). Then you can see this slightly newer negotiation development which acknowledges the DPR and LPR and demands the end of militarisation there and denazify (and therefore the end of the paramilitary death squads).
Now, you don't seem to understand that Russia can demand whatever it wants, even different things that were not in previous demands. That means that they'll often drop or return to demands depending on their conditions, and I'm not Putin's personal spokesman and don't have to 100% agree with which of their demands is the most important. What prompted this whole conversation is what NATO could've done to de-escalate the conflict. Do you know a single guarantee made by NATO to reduce the likelyhood of war or prevent it going on for another 2 years with the risk of nuclear warfare? I'd be happy to hear it.
Also you seem to confuse the meaning of "justified" there. You asked for sources on what demands have been made, those are up in the first paragraph. They don't justify anything though, only prove that the demands have been made in the past. Now after that you need to verify the veracity of those demands, and here are some sources that you might enjoy 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, on Azov and Nazis being trained and supplied by NATO and the Ukraine government, and just the wikipedia article on the War on Dombas because you don't seem to even be aware of it. Then once you come to a conclusion on whether the demands exist and are factual, you can decide if disbanding the Azov brigade and recognising the LPR and DPR are morally justifiable or not. "what sources?????"
cute how you ignored everything else, though. Makes you look very sensible and intellectual. You should make an account here
Biden asks Congress for $40 billion to support Ukraine, replenish US disaster aid and bolster border
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Oh hey, it's a Parenti quote moment.
And when Kenneth Boulding gets up and he says—an economist, and you can see what—you can see what—you can see, when you get Britain people like Kenneth Boulding speaking so naïvely, you can see the troubles you get into, the swamps you go into, the baby talk—silliness you get into when you think without Marx, when you think without class analysis—and Kenneth Boulding says, one of America's leading economists, he says, "Empire is irrational because it costs more than what we get out of it," "the British—it costed them more in India than what they got out of it," "the American investment in the Philippines is only about three-and-a-half billion dollars, but we had to give them about six billion dollars in aid," "it costs us more than what we get out of it," and that's when you think without a class analysis, because as we know—as you're going to know before the evening's over— that it's very profitable, because the people who have the three billion dollar investment aren't the same ones as the people who pay the six billion.
You do understand what justified means? You just gave me examples of the demands, not how they’re justified.
It is definitely justified to ask your neighbour to stop killing your other neighbours, joining Nazis and not letting the people there decide on whether they want to be independent or not. Imagine if the USA had a terrorist group called the keykeykey, and those groups went around killing people for being black or hispanic, and are waging war on the southern regions of Texas. I think you'd agree that it would be justified for Mexico to go "Could you remove keykeykey people from your government? They literally want to kill mexicans and black people in your borders." Wouldn't be so nice for the USA to say "no fuck you" like NATO did, would it? Before you ask me "when did NATO ignore the issue," read your own initial source from nato.int you linked a while back.
Russia has been complaining about that for 10 years now, and Azov only got more entrenched in government while the Donbas war got escalated and fed supplies by NATO. I think you mistake me saying that Russia had some valid points with me thinking that they're perfect and above criticism. But they certainly have a point that declaring war on a separatist region after a coup is incredibly abhorrent, and to do that while glorifying Nazi collaborators like Bandera, toppling monuments to those who defeated the Nazis and having people with swastika tattoos and Nazi symbols in their paramilitary death squad just makes it too on the nose.
If your neighbor beats up their wife/girlfriend do you think it would be justified to kick down their door, beat the man into submission , kill their children, thrash the entire apartment and call it a job well done? Would it be more justified if you before-hand told that you would do it?
Now you're talking about the subsequent war (in very inaccurate terms, I must add), instead of the guarantees that NATO could've done before the war to avoid it happening. But since you like individualistic and simplistic analogies, have another one. If your town has a keykeykey faction going around killing minorities and preventing them from even getting their own representation in government, toppled their preferred mayor and are doing terrorist attacks on the regions most populated by black people and mexicans, would it not be justified for bigger neighbouring city (that has a lot of mexicans) to ask for it to stop over 8 years, and after it proving fruitless to send in a swat team as requested by the local population? If it were me, I'd be begging for that swat team after 1 year, let alone 8.
Now imagine that this bigger city has been blocked from interfering there by another bigger city on the other side, which specifically sells weapons to this keykeykey, and no matter how many pretty speeches on the UN congress they make, the rival city refuses to concede to even disbanding or stopping selling weapons to the keykeykey. You can complain all you want that the Russian forces have "thrashed the apartment" but this war has been going on for 10 years now, not just since 2021. You can probably see how your analogy fails to properly represent the death toll (thousands) and civilian displacement (more than 1 million people) of the Donbass war as "beat their wife," coming right after the 2014 coup, which is why I usually don't do analogies.
Because in this case the English source looks better than reality?
I think you misunderstand there buddy, I don't throw away sources. I read them critically. You can give me any sources I can reliably read and we can talk about them. Problem is, when I do talk about them you change subject. Which I bet is why you chose a blog in Russian rather than a text I can read. Unlike you, I don't have Russian language proficiency, and I'd like it if you respected that.
I guess your Russian is not that good then. It’s a blog post that goes over the 2020 population consensus data.
I guess your English is not that good then, I said it's from the census in the reply:
The only source listed is the Russian census, which comes straight from the Russian government.
Since you like those sources and clearly are fluent in Russian, you can help me translate the excel file hosted in the Russian Govt website here to check on those “study languages.”
I honestly don’t have anything else to say about the rest of your comment. It goes too off the tangent to really focus on any individual part there.
Oh, I see. I guess we will never know why all those statements you threw out which I mocked were "obviously wrong." Nor your taking issue with me paraphrasing you saying that "lots don't know English" as if I made it up. Or your confusing statement that NATO doesn't call the 2014 coup the "Revolution of Dignity." Or that the USA backing a coup doesn't implicate the defence organisation they lead. Or that Russia denies their support for the LPR and DPR. Or your myriad of other bizarre claims that you throw around and then immediately forget about in the following reply.
You throw so much bullshit at such an alarming rate, but don't even acknowledge when shown to be incorrect on each (even complaining that my reply debunking some was too long), which is the hallmark of a bad faith debatebro. Grab a microphone and camera, learn to talk really fast and go own some libs in uni campuses like the Ben Shapiro impersonator you want to be.
Just in case you completely skipped it, here again is a source on the Russian demands before the war that you keep ignoring. Next comment is going to be like "and yet again I see no sources, I'm very smart."
You’re just going on and on about how you don’t care but you still keep coming back.
It's a saturday, cooking day. Me staring at the food boiling is just mildly less entertaining than you. Ironically it also requires a bit more effort. It's like morbidly browsing mensa teens on quora, but this one actually has a parasocial relationship with me.
Edit: not to mention, when I did not come back, you came crying to me a week later that I didn't prove you wrong enough, and you have a deep need to prove wrong or be proved wrong. Debatebros are so needy.
Accidentally posted before writing fully, if you're wondering about the deleted comment.
You might actually learn something from me.
like patience... lots and lots of patience...
like YOU getting the name wrong.
What's the "correct" name again, big guy? Say it in ALL CAPS like you like to do, like we're in the 90s internet still.
Please, enlighten me how are they justified?
Just two that are obvious, tolerating of Nazi symbology and members in Azov (your initial source on this did not go into detail on how exactly Azov doesn't allow Nazis in it anymore after being explicitly created by them 10 years ago), and de-escalating the war on Luhansk and Donnetsk and recognising their desire to be independent. I'm not sure how somebody could be against those things, let alone deny that they've been happening for 10 years now. The rest are more complicated, find a friend to talk to about those. But please, don't address the important bit and go talk about random unrelated things like language levels, which is a tangent on top of a tangent on top of a tangent.
10%
About as much as Mexico. Not a bad number at all, and nowadays we have cool tools like google translate or yandex. I can't actually read Cyrillic script but using those tools you can see that they name something like "school languages" in which 20-30% of people study a foreign language at school but don't use it day-to-day. That's a very big number if you compare it to other non-EU developed countries. Hopefully you yourself know Russian and can help correct if I mistranslated it. That'd be the first time your knowledge would contribute to the conversation.
I’m guessing you would’ve taken an issue with a random English side stating the obvious
erm, no? Aren't we on an English site?
On the other hand your other source isn't particularly "official," it's just a blog in Russian. You could've provided the English one instead, but I guess you preferred to obfuscate it all. The only source listed is the Russian census, which comes straight from the Russian government. Since you like those sources and clearly are fluent in Russian, you can help me translate the excel file hosted in the Russian Govt website here to check on those "study languages." I'm not the one who throws away sources because they're from "propaganda outlets" here, you are. From the very beginning of the discussion.
Also what the fuck? I never claimed “lots don’t speak English”. You’re literally making shit up about what I supposedly said.
Like you said, it’s quick google to see that “a lot” of Russians don’t speak English.
lol
You say that, but then you also claim you won’t even give me the time of day. Another empty statement by you.
You do know that when a person uses "when" it means that they won't do it when the "when" clause isn't true? You have not shown any new info, and also don't seem willing to learn. But no, I won't give the time of day to randos on the internet just because they demand it, get some irl friends.
Well if being deliberately wrong is fun mockery then by all means, be a joke.
Please elaborate on why every thing there was wrong, since you're so sure of it. Do a whole a paragraph per statement. I'll be sure to pat you on the back. The mockery was pointing out how ridiculous your statements were, if you didn't catch it.
I do actually like you. You’re part of my daily entertainment.
That's sad.
But although I find you incredibly annoying as a person, your silliness is also entertaining. Like an overly-aggressive Chihuahua or something. Or a Mensa teenager.
I’m just going to stick my hand in your playbook and say every single demand is easy to google so you should know that I know what they are. I don’t need to give sources to things that are easy to google. Did I get it right?
No, you didn't get it right. You got it wrong. Congrats. Here. I even hid it in the previous reply for ease of fetching later. I wonder if you can find where the easter egg was.
If you think you're making me angry or something, and you take pleasure in that: no, you just bore me. You're boring, not nearly as witty as you think you are, and about as engaging as playing an idle game while on the bus or waiting for the food to boil. If you're doing this out of some sadism, you're probably going to be more efficient about it by frying ants. If you want to learn, go read a book or two, I recommend "Blackshirts and the Reds." And if you want to help Ukraine, go join the foreign legion. But you're definitely not "schooling" anybody here, specially since it's literally just you and me now, and the Jigglypuff lullaby sounds like the Yellow Parenti speech next to your writing.
Come on mate, surely you have somebody who cares more about what you have to say in your life.
I always enjoy re-watching the full "Tank Man" video, with the "brutal Chinese tanks" awkwardly trying to bypass the protestor and patiently waiting him out. I think libs just see that single frame and fill the gaps with their own experiences in their countries in thinking that the guy got ran over or something. If you try that with a secret service car they might do just that.
Like you said, it’s quick google to see that “a lot” of Russians don’t speak English.
What is that number again, I can't seem to find the wikipedia article on it. \s
Really silly of you to come back and not even look into it. If you want something even more precise, I challenge you to find something called "English proficiency index," but the entire point there is that you wasted my time asking for source on some incredibly easy to find non-politicised source for data to deflect from your baseless speculation on how "Russians fall for everything" of their own propaganda. I wonder what you'll think of the countries lower on that index. If you even look for it, that is.
No regards to you own “read before you write” mantra.
You seem to be mistaken. It's not that I didn't read it, it's that I didn't feel like adding it in the comment because it's such easy to find info. But since you seem to be incapable of doing a basic google search to verify, and I think I should be your personal source-fetching bot, I'm stubbornly not giving you the source because I "gave up" on you. On the other hand you also came out with your own claim of "lots don't speak English," with no source to contradict me, which is funny because you had a whole week to find one.
I can be petty sometimes, and if you keep pestering me I'll only be petty from now on because you're just a silly person with silly behaviour and I ain't got time in my life to take you seriously.
discussion
Everyone has limits, and you seem so stuck on completely failing to grasp even your own sources that I don't see why I should bother. I usually engage with silly people like you in forums because other, more curious and interested people might read it. Since you're just being (intentionally?) silly and misreading your own sources on NATO or not remembering the official NATO name for the coup is "Revolution of Dignity," I don't think there's much use to this one here and you're free to go pester somebody else.
vagueposting
I like how you accuse me of "vagueposting" by being vague in your accusations. My very first comments were being made about they hypothetical guarantees you took so much issue with. You still haven't shown how those guarantees would've not prevented the war or been sane de-escalations.
Since you always seem to forget: de-escalate war on Donnetsk and Luhansk, recognise their independence or at least do proper procedure on it, disband Azov and ban neo-nazi symbology, reinstate Russian as a co-official language, guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and there'll be no nukes in Russia's critical neighbouring countries.
I bet each of those would've been welcome there, but alas, NATO only cared about "transparency," from your own sources, and did not consider a single of Russia's complaints as valid. Now please, go off again on "what guarantees????" as if I haven't said that like 4 times now.
Those complaints are in the literal declaration speech ffs, but no I did not tell you to figure out on my own. Go read the comment again, I specifically quoted the specific sections. Your memory seems a bit wonky even though I've been apparently living rent-free in your mind for a week now. I don't live rent-free in my own home, can we switch that? Go re-read the whole thread.
You did something similar the second time when I asked proof of a lot of Russians speaking English and you told me to go find the data myself.
As I said, I actually did put the source there, but lemmy bugged out and didn't post, which led me to realise I didn't want to bother with you anymore because you're playing dumb. This last comment was specifically about how you're playing dumb so hard you couldn't even search for English speaker statistics per country, as if it's some huge gargantuan task. I bet you did that just to distract from the main point of Russians being able to critically analyse text, though you probably don't even remember that. Do you only know English, by any chance?
And then you pull out every “debate” lord trick in the book. You say I’m wasting your time, I’m moving goalposts, I’m in bad faith.
Ah yeah, the old debate trick of saying "fuck off, you're being an arse, go pester somebody else." I'm not "debating" with you anymore, nor was I ever to begin with. I just want you to find something more worthwhile to do with your life because I don't have an obligation to correct every single arrogantly ignorant person on the internet, just because they're feeling lonely. I do it of my own volition when I think I might change or learn something. As I said before, nobody else is watching, and you don't seem to have much interest in either learning or teaching, so this is indeed "a waste of my time." You might find more interest if you send a letter to your congressperson.
just raging.
I guess the internet is weird, people can't differentiate fun mockery from actual anger. I was mocking how incredibly ignorant you were showing yourself off to be, by either stating complete unsourced nonsense, or asking for sources for things that are literally in the links you provided, or even failing to understand how military alliances work. Obviously since I have no hope for you I won't actually put the effort to explain why those are problems, I guess you'd just deflect to something else as always.
You call me names, like “debate pervert”.
Yep. I stand by that.
I honestly had a good laugh over your entire comment because it epitomizes your hypocrisy.
That's cool, at least something good came out of this whole interaction. I also enjoyed how you came back after the obvious bait of "care to elaborate." Seems like you really like me. But I don't like you, go find somebody who reciprocates.
Now, if you reply (and you're obviously gonna reply, you just can't leave me be), before your own comment list in your own words every single demand from Russia wrt the war, and whether they've been conceded on or ignored. I wonder if you'll find something, but please don't come back without making it clear you understand those demands clearly.
Just to make it clear, I have no issue with the "-x" ending in and of itself and "yankee imposition" implies that anybody in Latin America cares about what the Yankees have to say about Spanish (or in my case, Portuguese) in the first place. I just think that Unitedstadians created their own problem by calling us "Latino" instead of "Latin" or "Latin-American," (which are both already gender-neutral) and then have to fall back to their own customs by putting the "-x" in there.
It really is a minor beef, but it's annoying to see them appropriating words and trying (and failing) to speak in Spanish to appear more inclusive. Their language is already gender neutral, they could just call us Latins, Latines, Latinamericans or (IMO my favourite) Americans, but gringo gotta appropriate culture.
Care to elaborate?
Can't wait for AI generated MCU movies rehashing Avengers 2. But yeah, China seems to be on the right track on this one. I just think that a lot of their international reception over AI is very muddled by the stock exchange AI hype train, when we really just need some cool image processing techniques and some great optimization discovery like Soviet Linear Programming. Fancy chatbots and "content generators" should be the last priority, though at least nobody is being made homeless to fuel their ones.