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  • The bit that gets me is that Al-Qaeda's biggest (imperialist) issue was the USA, halfway across the world and with 90s tech. If Azov follows the same path, not only will they have a much bigger beef with closer European countries like Germany (but more likely eastern countries), but have shit like drones that can cause a significant amount of damage with less danger of being caught. Part of me is like "Unlimited genocide on the first world" but since they're racist shits I think it's obvious that they're going to target minorities and specifically scapegoats they can find for their lost war.

    First as a tragedy, you know the drill.

  • In my defence, I didn't notice the Yakub page on the ProleWiki. That is indeed a very large head.

  • It's the legendary creator of the "white race" according to the Nation of Islam, who did it through selective breeding and manipulation to create the most wicked and hateful people. It's mostly used as a meme to dunk on crackers.

  • If the world gets destroyed because of some European war, I hope that God is real because he's gonna have to explain to me in the afterlife why didn't he stop Yakub when he had the chance.

  • Me too, tbh, but it's a bit of a "Great Taste;Awful Execution" right now. I think a better approach would be to do one for each country first, and actually bothering to invite historians from those countries, and then if possible joining those together. I've been reading Galeano's "Las Venas Abiertas de América Latina" lately and it would be cool to do timelines and maps of the events listed in broad histories like that one in easily digestible form.

    Edit: For some reason I also forgot to look at the USSR region there, and it along with China just being that sparse is a really bad look for the map makers too.

  • Brazil doesn't have any workers, we're all just very urban peasants. Very weird map. Turkey is somehow worse despite having such a long and well studied history.

    Edit: Oh god the Native Lands layer in Brazil is actually horrible. Apparently nobody lived in all those lands with native names.

  • We don't need to know what "bad" means, right? Ukraine is bad due to some magical inherent property, not because of instituting drafts and migration bans, right? I am of the position that the war (which wasn't necessarily unprovoked to begin) wasn't the main cause of those things I am criticising, the government proposing those is the one at fault. I think that framing is at least a bit more complete than just "Ukraine bad."

    And never mind calling critical people Russian apologists, like one can't hold critical views of both sides of a conflict.

  • AFAIK there was no such vote, but even if there was it would not have counted the separatist regions of Donbas. That's the main issue with this war, it was already ongoing in some form long before Russia invaded last year, going on since around 2014. Since the invasion, the government has also declared there will be no elections and started banning or even arresting the opposition (like the communist party).

    The situation of democracy in Ukraine right now is incredibly shaky at best, which is why a lot of people (like me) criticise the government a lot. I understand that it'd be hard to have a referendum on the initial marshal law, but banning all adult men from even emigrating, and sometimes sending those who try to escape anyway back to the front, is to me a serious abuse by the government. IIRC During the start of the war, they also relied a lot on volunteers for the military, but now they've turned a lot to drafting civilians, which doesn't bode well for how many people actually want to fight. But it's really hard to get proper statistical data from Ukraine due to the aforementioned marshal law.

    Being in the military reserve myself against my will, I deeply believe that nobody should be forced into military service. Not only does it sound really inefficient to have uninterested personnel, but it also is a gigantic breach on a person's rights and can mentally and physically scar them for life, not to mention the risk of death.

  • Usually, yeah, reading and investigation is the main basis for getting informed. Specially for something so far away. How do you get "informed"? Through sheer willpower and thought?

  • It's the Sargon of Akkad tactic of screaming "I don't care!" while inserting themselves into every single conversation. Somehow they seem to think their dumb uninformed opinions are always equally worthy of merit despite doing zero homework. If you look into the thread, you'll notice most people didn't even read the article.

  • I don't follow. Yes, they are at war. How does that justify labour conscriptions and banning fleeing? I do care about people not dying and having dignity, you see. But sending teenagers into slaughter or forcing them to work to that same slaughter industry doesn't help anybody. It is basically a self-genocide by the Ukrainian government. No wonder that it started as a war against eastern Ukrainians.

    Who here exactly defends genocide when the only thing I want in this war is for the suicidal tactics of the Ukrainian government to pause for a second so that civilians can flee and live better lives elsewhere? But you don't care about that, you're a liberal who will justify every war crime from your favourite North Atlantic countries and their puppet governments, under the guise of empathy.

    See, 2 can play that game of ad hominem. Answer the question: "How is this not comparable to a modern slave state?"

  • Care to elaborate? AFAIK, forced labour under the threat of harm and no conditions for escape fits very well into most modern definitions of slavery. But go on, why should I support Ukraine despite this?

  • People over here sound so much like CK2 players that I get flashbacks to the thrashfire Pagan Fury dlc soundtrack. "You don't understand, they're fighting a genocide! Which is why we must conscript and self-genocide the entirety of Ukraine to prevent the separatist half of Ukraine from being genocided by their allies!"

  • I'm quoting again:

    The new draft law on the mobilization of workers is intended to "ensure the functioning of the national economy under martial law", in the words of those drafting the law. It is noteworthy that in early August, Ukraine began to talk about a likely ban against military conscripts leaving the country for three years following an eventual end to military hostilities and martial law. Just such a proposal was recently made by Vadym Denysenko [...], head of the Ukrainian Institute for the Future and a former advisor to the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Denysenko said, "I am sure that even after the war it will be necessary to extend the ban on men traveling abroad for at least another three years. Otherwise, we simply will not survive as a nation."

    Please illuminate me in your wisdom, how banning people from leaving while conscripting them to either fight in the front or forced labour is not a form slavery. Whose lives are being saved by arresting people trying to flee the country?

  • So are we just supposed to allow (heck, even support!) Ukraine despite them implementing a system of modern slavery for their people, blocking civilians from fleeing, and forced conscription, some of it even slated to last even beyond the end of the war, because to even criticise it is "helping Russia"? Helping Russia do what, exactly? Look better than Ukraine? That's on Ukraine to be the big boy.

    This is not Call of Duty, a war is waged for political reasons, and therefore the politics of it should be laid bare.

  • In early August, deputies of the Ukraine president's 'Servant of the People' party in the national legislature ('Rada') introduced a bill that provides for the conscription of forced labor of all those who have not been conscripted to the armed forces. Formally free citizens who already cannot legally leave the country due to wartime restrictions will now also be subjected to forced labor.

    This was really inevitable, yeah.

  • Yeah, it might not be the best place to learn about world history, but so far I've been using to get some basic understanding of less ideologically/internationally relevant Cuban stuff. For example, the development of their IT sector.

  • They could call it "The International Community"

  • That's a lot of African representation, which is nice because South Africa is particularly small compared to the other original members. Would be kinda sadfunny if the ancap from Argentina wins the election and tries a complete 180 on this, but otherwise this is great news. I guess I expected Cuba and Syria would also be on the first batch, but they might be testing the waters before whipping out the "controversial" ones.

    Watch the dollar drop like a Yankee's net worth after suffering an accident without health insurance.