ASDraptor @ ASDraptor @lemmy.autism.place

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The only thing you're doing with this is generating hate towards you.

It's ironic how the queer community is fighting to not get marginalised by something they can't choose (such as their sexual identity) and you're just doing that.

You're becoming what you hate.

There you go, seems it wasn't necessary after all. You're just looking for enemies. Good luck in your quest.

Do I really need to screenshot those messages? Don't make me do such thing, please.

Can you point out what did I twist? Maybe when I said that there are surely better places to go for a queer person than Qatar and then you said that you are marginalized everywhere? And then I pointed out that surely it's not the same a country like Spain than a country like Qatar? But you kept going with it?

You really don't know what you're talking about. But that's fine, go on.

I am saying that Qatar is not comparable to EU. And if you refuse to see that, then you're part of the problem. How many EU countries can you name in which being gay is punished with death? If you really think that queer people is oppressed the same way in a democratic civilised country than it is in an autocratic regime as the one of Qatar, you are just denying any kind of progress, and hurting queer people more than helping them. You should be ashamed of even considering that.

You look like someone looking for enemies, and that's only going to hurt yourself, not me.

You're mad at me because you don't like what I'm saying.

And instead of trying to understand that maybe sometimes a victim can be criticised for what they suffered, so they learn from it to never repeat it, you double down on your attacks refusing to see anything wrong in this person's behaviour. You even go as far as saying that every country is the same when it comes to queer people treatment, as if Qatar was remotely comparable to any UE country in which they can live a full life like any other citizen.

Is feeling compassion incompatible with anything else?

What happened to this man is a tragedy nobody should experience (this is compassion).

The reason why this happened was totally avoidable, Qatar is a country everyone should avoid (everyone includes queer people too) because they have crap laws and don't care about human rights. (This has to be said because we need to educate people so they don't suffer this again)

Do you have the power to change Qatar laws so they don't consider being gay a crime? I'd love a different solution, for example one that makes Qatar a livable place for everyone, but until this happens, the best thing we can do is not going there, especially if your mere existence is a crime for them.

Edit: punctuation.

That's called disappointment, that's how it works

If he's disappointed it's because he expected a different result from the appeal. Which is what I said.

Try talking to a queer person some time, shit is bad for us everywhere right now.

You're wrongly assuming that I don't know any queer person or their struggles. But go on...

Queer people are marginalized in every country right now. You clearly aren't actually that interested in queer politics or you would know that.

Are you telling me that a queer person has the same struggles in say, Spain, or Netherlands, or France, that in fucking Qatar where they can be executed for the sole crime of being queer? And I should be the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about?

Yes, I'm mad that you're victim blaming a gay man who was tortured and keep dropping racist dogwhistles. Are you enjoing telling the faggots how stupid they are?

Again, I'm not blaming him for being gay. He did a stupid choice, he went to one of the worst countries there are to be gay right now and that was very stupid. What happened to him, while despicable, was a product of his choice. Being gay isn't and never will be a crime, but I can't change the laws of Qatar, so if Qatar considers being gay a crime and you are gay, maybe, don't go there?

To me, it looks like you're just trying to find someone to direct your hate to. It's fine. After all, you're just an internet stranger so I don't harbor any feelings for you, but I think you are making a mistake here.

If this had a 4g module and possibility to install messaging apps, il dump my smartphone for this one without blinking. My phone is basically a chat machine, but I miss so much those blackberry keyboards with physical keys...

Mate, it really seems you are the one very bothered for the point of view of an internet stranger. Especially when all I said to cause you this is that it's unreasonable to expect that a country like Qatar accepts they violated human rights.

I think you're misunderstanding me explaining in detail my point of view with being upset. I'm not upset at all. As a matter of fact, I don't even know the guy, so why should I? Something that shouldn't happen in 2024, happened. And it's regrettable.

At the same time, it was something completely avoidable. So while I regret this thing happened because it shouldn't, I can't help but to point out how stupid it was to suffer this from a totally avoidable situation.

I don't see why. I'm not saying what happened to him was deserved. I'm just saying that expecting a country like Qatar, with a not short list of human rights violations (among the things) , accepts they violated human rights of a gay foreigner (and yeah, this is relevant for a country that hates both gays and foreigners) is unreasonable.

Nothing. I just explained my position. Which I thought needed clarification after your comment about it.

He's British-Mexican. I am sure he had several choices before Qatar to go get a job. I understand most of us can't afford to not take work, but work shouldn't come at the expense of your life. And in shitholes like Qatar, that is a possibility too plausible to just ignore.

Lastly, I understand that right after torture you're never rational. But he tried to appeal the case, and he's disappointed that they ignored the appeal. I doubt he made these declarations right after the torture. He probably made them days or weeks later, I'd assume he regained his sanity by then.

Nobody should be tortured for being queer.

With that said, there are some shithole countries where laws are... Well, shit. And we can't change those laws. Going there, work or fun, is a risk that I'd never assume, not for all the money in the world. Money is useless if a shitty government decides you should be executed under the charges of being yourself.

This guy has my sympathy for what happened to him, that shouldn't happen in 2024, but does he really think Qatar would admit in any way to human right violations towards a "gay foreigner"?

Please, don't make me dream...

Personal experience. Every time I see an extremely stupid tweet, it comes from a blue check.