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I'm not saying to do something other than voting. I'm saying you keep framing this like that's the only thing when they could do more.

Voting is not the only option. It's a good one, but we have more/additonal.

Not even a little.

There was th Civil War and white folk got to pretend shit was settled while back folk knew better. Took until the 60s for things to start to shake up and even then White's weren't sure they should support something like requiring equal treatment.

Then we got the Voting Rights Act Then SCOTUS, in recent years, decided we didn't need that anymore. People are legitimately surprise the Court decided this way. Recent rulings have been a constant erosion.

There are other options. The Constitution affords us numerous rights, including protest, among others.

They said they're mad that nothing changes for the better and you said, why not spend an hour a year doing something.

I think they're open to more. I'd like to see more doing more. THAT's how things change.

He needs to be primaried, tradition or not.

He's done an assortment of good things. He's also older and sympathetic to economic "centrism."

I'd like to see a credible democratic challenger primary him and force him to maintain a more left leaning posture. If done correctly, he'd re-message and it would help him in the general.

We need to pull people out of their culture war mindset and get them voting for their own best interests. Fanciful notions of "the wrong gender" in a restroom aren't going to matter as much as domestic economic health, global climate change, or a changing geo-economic outlook. We need people voting real-worl issues and someone who can message to that.

I'll add: everyone deserves certain fundamental rights. So when I say culture war, I'm referring to DeSantis types. I have no quarrel with treating LGBTQ+ with respect and decency.

It's set for after Super Tuesday. He'll ask for a further delay. She'll absolutely consider if he's got viable numbers.

I bet it's half of why that date was chosen. And why Trump isn't making too much noise about it. Stay quiet and people don't notice what just happened.

You need to Google "sea lion troll."

You're not using the term correctly. Or keep doing it wrong, up to you.

I understand that you've answered that you get to decide if a person is worthy of respect or dignity or decency. I find it highly ironic since you seem to exist on a part of the spectrum that would want those things for (almost?) everyone. That may not be true, but you seem inclined to push socialist ideas. I'm very open to that, personally. Many Americans are; the culture wars are used to distract and divide and it works.

If I've persisted in my question on why you become knee-jerk incivil, it's because the answers so far have landed as "because." Your most recent response hits more authentically and I appreciate it. I've sparred with trolls. I've sparred with those who genuinely disagree for good (and bad) reasons. Authentic, mature conversation appeals to me.

Dropping to name calling (emojis) based on the first reply on a thread lowers discourse. I'll stop here. I just wish that shit didn't happen so much.

I'm not your opponent but you sure set out that way when you correctly determined I'm in and from the US. The combativeness was not deserved, it was off-putting and I am much less likely to want to engage. Shrug.

I'm not jumping in to start fights. I jump in to ask why you're doing it.

There's a difference. Clown faces (a pattern,, not an instance), vomit emoji... all that is is you doing something for your feels and to feel better than. They do exactly zero for anything a normal, mature peraon would hope to generate.

You say you want meaningful exchange and you doggedly defend yourself as you bring the discourse down to single emoji and knee-jerk judgments.

You're creating an unhelpful dynamic. Being likeable helps. Being right is "logically" enough. For persuasion, it is a distant second on a good day.

Being more likeable and less glib can help. Or, You're not here to help. You're here to feel better than. Your choice and you get to choose, but be consistent. If it's the later, don't criticize it in others, please.

Let's go one further and I'll ask other than when I told you themat you required evidence and you were being a hypocrite, when did I demand evidence over and over? Or do you not know what sealioning is?

I'm not demanding evidence. I'm asking why you're so darn incivil to so many people. You look like an unsympathetic Don Quixote and it helps none of your points.

And if you're not here to persuade, why post so many of a specific kind of article.

Again. I don't follow you around. I'm in certain communities for a reason. And then you shit all over them.

It's daft, touched-in-the-head kind of behavior.

Ah. The source of your anger.

The local Overton window shifted. You'd found a bubble you liked and now it's different and more perspectives are flooding in. Not all perspectives are informed, but you are being credibly challenged now.

The big fish in a small pond finds itself in a different body of water.

I'm not insulting people until very recently and it's only you. You cast a wide net with your anger and it's helping no one. And it hurts your cause.

I never said you sealion me. Not once. You keep seeing things as said that aren't. And then you complain about reading comprehension of your sparring partners.

It's shameful. And I'm not using that lightly. You act shamefully. It's fucking embarrassing the way you're trying to advance ideas by insulting people.

Other people are here. Adapt.

If we need to have a thread about maladaptive rhetoric so you cam deem my discussion on topic I'll point out that posting a single clown emoji or vomit one is not topical, either. It only further lowers discourse and makes you into an easily discarded clown.

And I doubt you want that.

China can have a near vertical climb in production (your chart) but no one else can?

The vertical change takes planning and time, but no one has a lock on it. Especially if it becomes a strategic resource (and it has).

Jesus you're prolific and ubiquitous.

You win the glib trophy on this branch. Not them.

You really need to check yourself. You are galvanizing people into positions you want them to move off of. Are you doing this on purpose?

Trump can fuck off to jail. I'd like to see him tried for treason.

DeSantis has shown he's a non-starter.

At this point they're hoping for a dark horse pro-retreat candidate.

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Come on now. You attack without much provocation at all. But there's no hate or purity tests?

That's a damn lie.

What you've missed (clearly) in a lot of this is I could be an ally on some topics but you can't stop lashing out in some "righteous" crusade.

If persuasion were a battlefield, you'd be killing your own.

He's often taught as a pacifist who did great things.

Reality is he saw deeper and was helped by historical context (example: the presence of Malcolm x and his followers).

Quotes like above are gaining notice in recent years and I welcome it.

5 year olds don't suicide often. Using an age range that dips that low skews the numbers..

If you want to compare apples to apples, do so. I'm not going to say which side will "win." Truth should do that.

All systems require a check on greed and something that pulls things back to balanced. What we have (in the US) right now isn't it.

SCOTUS has not helped in the least.

We need incentives for participation because "the feels" isn't enough to motivate most to work all that much. But we need taxes and laws to keep things from skewing like they have.

See... that's the thing. I never said...

You're off your rocker. I'm tired of being completely misrepresent while you say I said things I didn't.

And that, is how I know you hate. You do it persistently.

Your replies in the branch are as off topic as my own. And you know it. No high ground left.

I'll add: I'm not that worked up about whether I'm respected. It's that you throw your disrepect around potential and quasi-allies for not being pure enough. I've stated this clearly multiple times.

To add further: posting a slew of links criticizing the US for trying yo help spread Democracy when your aspersions go far further... isn't the kind of critical thinking you present it to be.

It's like me saying soviet Russia wanted more communism in the world. It's obvious.

With the country built into the community name. Less confusion and wasted energy that way.

I think getting actionable advice was the point of the thread.

Editorials are often seen as disrespectful and dont get the engagement you'd hope (this isn't a news community).

You're daft. I wasn't forced to admit that the US has an oligarchy and you didn't add one bit of persuasion to my conclusion. I've been there for years.

You create an image of the people you talk with and then argue with that image.

There are two things wrong with that. You don't see the person. And you're arguing instead of anything useful. Both track back to an unnecessary and unhealthy predilection to combativeness.

You look for fault in others. You look for reasons to feel or be righteous. You look for all this stuff. And sometimes, you find it where it isn't.

Your style is broken. Your approach is broken. You vision of who you speak with is broken. You've forgotten that with very rare exception, all posters are people.

You act like you're the sole arbiter of a person's worth and that that always tracks to being on the "right side" of issues you exclusively care about. It's immature and, honestly, intellectually lazy.

And if the topic of persuasion or decency doesn't seem substantive to you, then you really need to reflect on why that's your response.

Let's add: you responded quickly to the tankie part. What say you about hating people for their country of origin? Because you've shown active disdain as soon as you think you know they're from places.

The guy who won "over a billion" (that's not what he got to keep) has headlines with his full name, what real estate he's bought, lawsuits brought against him and he's had to get body guards.

Because california forces a person to claim it and anonymity isn't allowed.