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You go on ignoring my comment and the historical evidence. I'm not doing "no u", I'm asking for detailed critique of my analysis, which you refuse to do

Ukrainians didn't want to be under Russian rule.

The Secretary General Nikita Khruschyov of the Soviet Union was Ukrainian... The claims of Russification of the Soviet Union are wildly exaggerated by western sources as proven by the fact that Kazakhstan is its own country with its own culture, as are Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, Belarus...

mental gymnastics you're doing to excuse Russia allying with Hitler

go ahead. Answer point by point to my comment that i showed you, I'm looking forward to that instead of vibes-based claims.

Like you can find examples of time were colonial countries """liberated""" foreign nations in much the same way, putting them under a different boot and treating them marginally better than the last guy

What's the life expectancy in Russia or China vs what is it in Indonesia or Myanmar? What's the le expectancy in Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan compared to Afghanistan or Pakistan?

I'm western European and in a Marxist-Leninist org, I'm doing my part on the othet side of the ocean.

Please, PLEASE stop vilifying communists. We are NOT the enemy. The woman in charge of the students union of my country is prosecuted by the far right, THOSE are the enemy, not marxists

That's actually commendable if you're going and fighting ICE, they're actual fascists. Maybe you could take inspiration from Bolsheviks on how to fight fascists (look up "Black Hundreds" on Wikipedia).

Murder some more brown people, lib

I already responded to you in a detailed historical account and you refused to read it because history is against your point of view

doesn't magically become """liberation""" just because it was stolen by someone else first

No, it becomes liberation when majority-Ukrainian regions oppressed under the Polish nationalist state without any mode of representation, recognition of their language, and under bourgeois rule, instead obtain Ukrainian representation and institutions and recognition of its language as an official language. I assume you would know this since you seem to care so much about Ukrainians?

Already answered your pro-Nazi revisionism, go read a book not written by the CIA if you're an actual leftist and not a nazi-adjacent pro-western imperialism propagandist.

Your entire worldview is based on CIA propaganda and is entirely compatible with western Imperialism, which killed billions and is actuslly comparable to Nazism, unlike socialism which freed billions from capitalist exploitation and imperialism through industrialisation and social welfare. You haven't read a single critical book on the topic and your entire analysis is reddit vibes-based CIA propaganda.

only after they were betrayed by Hitler after they allied themselves with the Nazis to invade Poland.

This is literally pro-nazi historical revisionism. I've made a detailed response to this load of bullshit here, if you care to learn some history about it. Please do read that in good faith and respond point by point if you actually wanna get educated on the subject.

Regarding deportations in time of war, I agree it was a failed policy and I don't support them generally, it happens that systems and political ideologies you support make mistakes. This was one of them. It's still extremely minor compared to actual imperialism and genocide committed by western states in times of peace while plundering billions of people in the global south, and it's something that happened during a period of 10 tumultuous war/preparation years and never happened again, unlike the constant imperialism of the west.

Again proving that you don't care about brown people and your entire "leftist" ideology is supported on CIA propaganda.

The downfall of democracy is the existence of the US. The downfall of the US is the birth of democracy elsewhere.

Stay uneducated, loser

See, that's just cognitive dissonance. You start by saying it's only in theory, and when prompted with actual examples of this existing, you just shut your ears. I went as far as being honest on the particular points that were lacking, such as women/homosexual rights or climate/pollution regulation, but you're incapable of engaging with honest and reality-based analysis because it contradicts your absorbed anticommunist propaganda.

Ruthless "dictators" who saved a billion lives through the elimination of Nazism, the industrial development of the second most populous country on Earth and half the continent of Europe, and through the refusal to participate in the exploitation of the global south.

Communists saved Europe from Nazism and you will never forgive them for it

I'm sure the Polish people are so glad the soviets "saved them from Nazism"

Polish nationalists are immensely russophobic and reactionary, making that claim is like asking Spaniards (I'm one myself) about the literal golden age of Islam in Al-Andalus: you'll get a distorted, nationalist, racist and islamophobic account based on vibes instead of the material reality. Polish people can think whatever they want after 35 years of nationalist right-wing propaganda (look at the results of their latest elections): the Soviets saved their fucking guts from genocide and Nazism, and yes I'm saying the Soviets, not just Russians: Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakh, Georgian... All of the people from the Soviet Union did the most immense sacrifice to rid Europe from Nazism. And liberal Nazi apologists like you will never forgive them from doing so.

I'm sure the Ukrainians appreciate the Russians brutally suppressing their independence

This is especially funny. Ukraine literally obtained autoctonous political representation and the state of a republic for the first time in history during the Bolshevik revolution. There are literal letters between Rosa Luxembourg (whom you probably love because she didn't actually defeat Nazis) and Lenin in which Lenin defends the right of Ukrainian self-determination and the creation of a Ukrainian republic, institutions and a sense of nationality, in opposition to Rosa claiming Ukrainian nationalism shouldn't exist (interesting read if you truly care about the origins of Ukrainian nationalism and the people of Ukraine and you're not just concern trolling). Ukraine industrialised thoroughly during Soviet times and had very comparable living standards to the rest of the Union, which can't be said after the perpetual crisis that took place once the Soviet Union was illegally dissolved against the desire of the majority of Ukrainians (71% of them voted for the Soviet Union to remain in the 1991 referendum). Your analysis is vibes-based taking western propaganda as a source and not actual historical events.

forcing them to die en mass against the Nazis, often times not even being armed and sent to the front lines

Why this fucking focus on Ukrainians? Belarus lost literally 1 in 4 people in the war against Nazism, how come you don't make the same claims about Belarusians? The answer is because your analysis is ahistorical and not based on actual events, but on anticommunist nazi-adjacent nationalist russophobic propaganda. You're using literal Nazi propaganda of "the unarmed human wave tactics" that featured in Nazi posters during the war after the defeat in Stalingrad, YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE NAZIS.

you refuse to even acknowledge my points about Holodomor

What part did I not acknowledge? There was a hunger episode in the early 30s in areas of the Soviet Union as a consequence of land collectivisation policy, is that not enough for you? Or do you need to fabricate genocidal intent because of your obsessive victimization of Ukrainians, completely disregarding the millions of Russian and Central Asian deaths in the hunger because they don't suit your political nazi-adjacent agenda?

Wasters Germany still feels the effects of soviet oppression to this day

Eastern Germany is less developed economically than Western Germany due to two reasons: the first is that Eastern German industry was thoroughly dismantled after the reunification in favour of Western German companies. The second is that Western Germany developed in much more favourable conditions due to the access of cheap resources and labour extraction from the Global South that western capitalist countries have no problem performing and that for some reason you don't care about, which is frankly immensely racist. Who cares if West Germany developed, like the rest of western Europe or North America, on the backs of literal BILLIONS of exploited people in Central and South America, Africa, Middle East and Southeast Asia, right? Who cares about the west performing unequal exchange? After all it's black people, Muslims and Asians who are being exploited, and those aren't worthy of your attention unlike white Ukrainians or Poles who enjoyed immensely better conditions BY LITERALLY ANY METRIC thanks to socialism.

I fucking hate tankies so much.

That's because half of your ideology and worldview is indistinguishable from that of Nazis

Keep inhaling that Elon hopium and believing in your free market fantasies, buddy

Yes, I'm a tankie, you got me. How about you address the actual argument though? In the 1970s Soviet Union there was:

Guaranteed employment, free education to the highest level, free healthcare for everyone, guaranteed housing for everyone and the abolition of homelessness, 45h working week, retirement with guaranteed pension at 61 for men and at 55 for women, paid holiday and sick leave, highest unionisation population in the world, more female engineers inside the Soviet Union than in the rest of the world combined, lowest level of wealth inequality in the history of the region, subsidised and affordable basics like energy access or public transit... The list goes on and on.

How about you try to refute any of these individual claims I made instead of dismissing the actual historical reality just because you dislike my political views? Spoiler alert: you won't find reliable sources contradicting any of my claims and I can provide sources to all of it because I actually know what I'm talking about.

Do you think the soviet oppression of eastern Europe is fundamentally different than the European oppression of Africa

If you don't think they're fundamentally different it means you're not what you're talking about. To this day, university students in Morocco and Algeria study in French, ask a Polish graduate from the 70s what language they used in university.

Look at the material exports not just during the colonial era but today in countries like Burkina Faso, whose 70% of exports are precious metals and 80% of exports go to Switzerland, and compare that to the Soviet Union providing raw goods and fossil fuels at international market prices to countries in the COMECON and importing manufactured, high value-added goods therefore subjecting itself to the short end of the stick of unequal exchange and mercantilism, in an effort to subsidise the industrialisation of said countries.

Look at educational outcomes, life expectancy, working rights in Communist Estonia and compare them to the Belgian Congo genocide or to Spanish invasion of Morocco and the status of moroccan citizens in occupied zones.

The Soviet Union was forced to sacrifice 27 mullion human lives in the war against Nazism, and it successfully rid Eastern Europe of it, saving it from being a German colony subjected to genocide and extermination, slavery, de-industrialization and resource exploitation, and instead industrialised its entire area of influence, eliminated landlords and serfdom, instituted huge unions, and did this all without resorting to the exploitation of people in the Global South. Come on, find a 60 year-old person from the Baltics or from Eastern Europe and ask them about worker rights, healthcare, education, pensions or access to housing during communism. And now go to fucking Libya and ask the same to someone who endured Italian colonisation.

You literally have no idea what you're comparing.

As for "Holodomor" (a word propagated in this century with the intention of creating a nationalist russophobic propaganda of genocide), it was a disastrous hunger episode that affected wide regions of Russia, Central Asia, Ukraine and Belarus, consequence of the first successful large-scale land collectivisation project in human history. It caused a lot of suffering and deaths due to unforeseen effects of collectivisation policy that didn't take into account how much resistance the landowners would put to the process, coupled with unfortunate weather conditions and bad crops.

Ultimately though, it enabled the successful and unprecedentedly fast-paced industrialisation of the Soviet union that managed to repel the Nazi offensive 10 years later and saved tens if not hundreds of millions of lives from Nazi genocide under projects like the Generalplan Ost and the Hungerplan, which targeted among many others the hundreds of millions of slavic people considered "Untermenschen" by the Nazis.

Regarding the Chinese famine, it's simply the disastrous and horrendous consequence of failed ecological policy in an era and place prior to scientific understanding of ecology. Neither of these famines was a deliberate, white supremacist, targeted hunger against a peripheral group of people considered undesirable, such as the Bengal famine perpetrated by the British on India (one of a long series of provoked policies that arguably murdered hundreds of millions in India alone).

Describing the conditions under which something happens isn't an excuse or a denial, BTW. Both these famines happened and they were horrifying, there are just no arguments to compare them to purposefully inflicted hunger by the British Empire on the Irish or Indians, and ultimately both episodes, while harrowing, stem from projects that fundamentally saved hundreds of millions of lives.

Life expectancy in the Soviet Union was 28 years before the Bolshevik revolution, and by 1940 (before the Nazi attack, just half a decade after the hunger episode we mentioned) it was 35 years. During the Nazi invasion of the USSR it obviously dropped, but by the mid-1950s life expectancy was already above 55 years old: twice higher than before communism. The Bolsheviks saved hundreds of millions of lives through the improvements in healthcare, industrialisation, mechanisation of agriculture and colectivization of land that took place in the first 4 decades of the Soviet project.

The same can be said about China. Life expectancy grew by some 20-25 years under the leadership of Mao, which in a country with a population of around 700 million, resulted in the saving of hundreds of millions of lives. The communist project in China over the past 40 years has lifted 800 million people from extreme poverty, which would be the equivalent of eliminating poverty in the entirety of the continent of South America and then some.

Why didn't these improvements happen simultaneously in countries at the time comparably developed? Indonesia, Argentina, Northern African countries, Thailand, Myanmar, India, Sri Lanka, all of those countries were left unindustrialised and still today suffer from much worse living conditions than China or post-soviet countries, just compare life expectancy. Why is it, if "the evil of the Soviets was comparable to Western Imperialism", that people in Poland don't live like people in India? Why don't people in China live like people in Myanmar?

Most of those things I mentioned are/were a material reality in socialist countries such as Cuba or the Soviet Union, except for climate change and pollution and some things regarding feminism and homosexuality due to moral shortcomings of 20th century thought.

All of your comment is pointless. My whole point was research, not research and development. No shit, in countries where the predominant mode of production is capitalism, where it's been socially determined that development is done by private companies, the main source of funding for research and development is private capital, because there is no public development as a consequence of a social decision.

In order to maintain a monopoly you have to keep innovating and offering a quality service

No, you have to consolidate market power, bribe officials, perform marketing campaigns, buy the competition, and abuse your overwhelming economic and legal power and economy of scale. Good examples are car manufacturers eliminating the public transit systems in the beginning of the 20th century USA, natural monopolies such as energy, water and internet supply, or the significant additional rise of prices all over the economy as a consequece of corporate greed after the 2022 inflation episode. You've been lied about your economic axioms and you live in an imaginary world of neoclassical/neoliberal economics that have 0 predictive power.

Starship has

failed. What starship has, is failed.

but they are also incredibly inefficient

Dude, most research altogether is government funded, companies don't innovate for shit. Public research in Universities and research institutions amounts for the overwhelming majority of research, except in some sectors like automotive (where they managed to make cars 50000% bigger over the past 50 years and sell SUVs to city dwellers without lowering fuel consumption one fucking bit, my 2006 diesel car uses less fuel than most 2025 hybrids). Medicine, biology, languages, physics, chemistry... Without public funding, research dies. FFS, why do you think during the cold war the west rushed to fund public research with trillions of dollars instead of just "giving it to the free market to do its thing"?

That's the beauty of the private sector, pure meritocracy

Hahahahaha. This "don't tread on me" snake has never heard of the word "monopoly", or of market power. You live in an imaginary world made up by capitalist economists. Without public funding there's no education, without education there's no research, end of the story dumbass.

Why do you think communist China is outpacing r&d in pretty much every field it decides to? Whether it be renewables, lithium batteries, electric cars, soon silicon, AI, and many other fields, China is advancing at paces the west doesn't dream of. You're taking the example of the most capitalist economy in the world (the USA) and using it to show how bad state-funded things in this hellhole are, no shit Sherlock.

planing to reduce it to $10 with starship.

Hahahahahahahaha yeah buddy, and we'll have full self-driving by 2021. A Musk fartbreather, of course you are.