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As much as you hate Russia's actions in Ukraine, Israel is literally committing a genocide, how can you say that's not worse than giving drones to Russia?

Yeah, people wouldn't be protesting on the streets while Gaza and Iran are bombed

"No, I won't engage in the critical analysis of my sources. My view on this heavily politically charged historical event is definitely not influenced by western bias, and even if it was, it doesn't matter, because constantly unpromptedly bringing up something that happened 36 years ago isn't political, it's just a fact."

Dude, literally, please, go to my original comment detailing the sources of your article, and answer on a point by point basis what's wrong about my comments on the SPECIFIC sources of YOUR OWN ARTICLE.

Nah, it just happens when you actually research a topic and critically examine the events and the sources, instead of uncritically swallowing propaganda based on a single source of politicians from TERF-Island, sorry I mean Great Britain,

It is an iconic picture

If by "iconic picture" you mean "out-of-context, manipulative, anticommunist, CIA-sponsored atrocity propaganda", then yes, it's very iconic in the NATO countries (show this to a Latin American and see if they know what it is).

feeling the need to argue and bending over backwards to defend China

Mate, you brought up the topic, not me. I initially started a conversation on precisely the picture you posted, because most people in the west see it out of context and believe that the protestor was trampled or arrested, instead of harmlessly walking away. You're the one spreading anti-china propaganda and, when confronted with the reality of the specific picture you sent, you deflect and send an article with 100 pictures of the event.

Thanks for completely ignoring my analysis of the sources of your "have you seen this, you filthy commie?" article. Kinda proving that you're arguing from vibes here and not from material evidence.

Has anyone spoken to him afterwards? No? Why's that?

Because he's an anonymous dude only known from a low-res video that absolutely doesn't allow for identification?

Massacres outside the square don't count

You're being purposefully obtuse. I explicitly said that the degree of repression was probably overboard and unnecessary, and a dark episode in Chinese history. You're literally ignoring my reasonable points and arguing against strawmans, while refusing to do the bare minimum analysis of the sources of your material

This literally shows exactly what I'm saying... There are pictures of tankman climbing the tank to have a chat with the crew...

Regardless, I've compiled all of the sources from the article:

A doctor at the time said

a radio announcer reported the

Or, even worse:

a secret British cable from the time alleged that

So essentially: either "source: trust me bro", or "source: external actor from a geopolitically opposed nation". Would you be taking "a secret Russian cable from the time alleged that" with regard to, e.g., police repression in BLM protests?

Lmao especially at the main (and last) source from the article:

Freedom House, an independent organization dedicated to promoting freedom around the world

Like, how is this not an obvious CIA front organization? Are you actually that gullible? It's literally "freedom eagle burger institute"...

British ambassador to China Sir Alan Donald wrote a secret diplomatic cable

Again with the western sources. This is laughable, and the fact that you would even consider this serious makes you so pathetically gullible that I'm this close to giving up talking with you, but let's go ahead.

The former ambassador explained that his account stemmed from personal conversations from a “good friend” in China’s State Council

"Bro I swear, a Chinese official whom I won't name told me all of this the same day, I swear bro. It doesn't matter that my country is an anticommunist capitalist regime with clear motives to make up atrocity propaganda as it's done many times in the past, just trust me bro". What a fucking joke of a source.

Anyway, all of this isn't to say there was no violence in the Tiananmen protests. Protesters were indeed killed by the army, I'm not arguing against this, I literally only talked about the tankman picture before.

But, as your picture evidence proves (there are literally burnt tanks and murdered soldiers in the pictures), this isn't because "le evil seeseepee authoritarians against peaceful wholesome 100 protesters". The article actually contradicts the western press reports at the time, which confirmed that the military violence against protestors happened outside the Tiananmen square, proving that your article is mostly manufactured western anticommunist propaganda.

The violence started from the protestors against the military, and the military responded. I'm not claiming the response was appropriate, limited and not brutal, I am not really aware of the numbers and I honestly don't care much to know, they dwarf in comparison with the hundreds of millions of lives that China saved through the land collectivisation policies in the Mao times, the accessibility to decent healthcare, and the decolonisation of China.

Bonus point: funny how there is a widespread availability of HQ pictures from a 1989 protest and the victims of state violence in China, but we live in 2025 fully into the smartphone era and there isn't a single shred of photographic evidence of the famous so-called "Uyghur genocide"

"Oh no, the evil tankies are here to give facts against my CIA-manufactured sinophobic propaganda :("

Please, answer: have you ever watched the entire thing?

Clue: peaceful protests in the entire western world achieved nothing for the past half a century. You had the massive Greece protests, the Gilets Jeunes in France, the 15-M in Spain, the Occupy Movement in the US, the BLM protests in the US too, the anti Iraq war protests all over Europe... None of them achieved anything meaningful. The EU and US are NOT democratic.

For hell's sake have you ever seen the entire video from which the picture was extracted? The guy literally stopped the tanks, had a chat with them, and walked away unharmed.

Sure, you have a point, just wanted to remind people that western European countries enacted many genocides to similar scale than Nazi Germany (or greater)

Was he, though? How many millions did he murder in the manmade Bengal famine?

Biden promoted peace

No. Funding and giving political support to a genocidal state while crushing down on demonstrations against genocide isn't promoting peace. It's a very close thing to what the Trump administration is doing, marginally less bad but not "promoting peace" in the slightest.

Lmao, instead of arguing on the extensive comment I made (which proves I know what I'm talking about), you just go for the classic ad-hominem.

Again, economics is a lovely field and I'm quite passionate about it; the dominant economic thought is bullshit though, and your lack of coherent response to my points further proves that. You, presumably with an economics education, can't answer to the simple points of an "uneducated" user like me

"Oh, you haven't taken capitalist propaganda courses regarding economics? Then your opinion is invalid"

As a matter of fact, people who teach against neoliberalism are in some universities. Prof. Richard Wolff, or Dr. Eduardo Garzón are a few of them. The fact that you took your econ-101 course to be gospel about reality without questioning the experimental validity of the models proponed by neoliberals tells me more about you than the name of any courses you've taken.

This isn’t that common as most of the studies done recently suggests this is not the case.

It isn't that common?! For fuck's sake, mate, it's literally the main argument used against rising minimum wages every single time the "debate" pops up. Rising minimum wages is such an obviously moral thing to do, that the only possible objection to it for the vast majority of the population is technical. That's why the CIA put gazillions of dollars in the Economics academia over the past half a century to propagate neoliberalism. Yes, recent empyrical studies suggest this is not the case because most of the information floating around the field of economics is a lie.

Currency minting literally doesn't serve even as a modest predictor of inflation. Look at a graph of inflation in the EU or in the US for the past 60 years. Try and match it with money creation, and you'll see exactly 0 correlation. You'll get the same with Japan and with UK, and with China. Look at the absolutely astonishing amounts of money created by the EU after the 2010 Euro crisis (M2 or M3 aggregates, huh, funny that I know that terminology, even without being brainwashed at the econ faculty?) and the CPI over that time. Now look at a single historical event (2022 Ukraine invasion) and the resulting inflationary tendencies, PROVEN EMPYRICALLY to be caused by rising energy prices due to natural gas, famously NOT because of a money minting event. Seriously, you're just propagating empirically demonstrated lies.

When I say you shouldn't trust most economists, I don't mean you should trust no economist. I mean most contemporary economists have been brainwashed into believing in neoliberal propaganda that permeated academia and public policy since the Reagan/Thatcher/Milton Friedman era, when the CIA decided Keynesian economics weren't oppressive enough to poor people. Economics is a beautiful field to study, but believing a neoliberal economist with regards to public policy would be like treating cancer with acupuncture.

Most economies are neoliberal/neoclassical, they're literally a poverty cult based on empirically proven wrong axioms such as "printing money creates inflation", "rising the minimum wage creates unemployment", or "public expenditure in healthcare, pensions and education is bad for the economy". You should do the opposite of what most economists preach.

Biden's administration was a dam holding back fascism

Holding back fascism within the US*. Biden happily was releasing fascism in Israel.

Anyway, how did that "fascism holding" work out? You mean it did exactly nothing but postpone the thing for 4 years while having presidential powers?

super high tax brackets for the rich

I'm a communist and I believe in the expropriation of their capital to eliminate super-richness, not in their taxation.

workers rights we have fought for and established in this country

Your country (the US judging by the comment) has miserable worker rights, as a western-European. Worker rights are bad here, but the US takes the cake.

I would not go ahead and give you guys full credit nor say that these are policies that are specific to you. Most of this stuff is just center/left social welfare and human rights

I'm not so sure. The legal abolition of homelessness and unemployment is far from being a centre/left welfare measure, as evidenced by the fact that the only countries that have achieved this are communist ones such as Cuba or the Soviet Union.

we certainly don’t agree on how to bring them about

We don't agree on how to bring them about because the liberal method of bringing them about is proven ineffective in every single instance of liberal democracy. Worker rights and welfare are systematically being eroded in essentially all liberal democracies for the past 3-4 decades, home ownership rates decrease, unemployment increases, retirement age gets delayed (Denmark just rose it to 70 years e.g.), education and healthcare budgets get gutted, infrastructure crumbles, real wages diminish for the majority of the population, and little action is taken against climate change. There were only advancements in worker rights in Europe (and less so in the USA) because of the fear of communist revolution in the past century, hence the complete lack of progress and actual degradation of rights and democracy with the rise of the far right all over the Western World.

I'm not USian so I didn't support any of your genocidal candidates. Funny how you talked of purity tests earlier in your comment and come up with that later. But as an outsider: the US liberal obsession with blaming the election loss on the progressives and not on, you know, the politicians enacting genocide and not doing anything about improving the living conditions of people in the US while in government seems pretty weird. If the Democrats can't bring themselves to even remotely appear more appealing than LITERAL DONALD TRUMP to the average voter, what the fuck are they doing?