0ddysseus @ 0ddysseus @lemmy.world

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And yet when I say it suddenly I'm the racist, because of my skin color, despite being from a refugee family. Its stunning

Forgot to add - I haven't been conned by any media, either right wing or slightly less right wing. Don't own a TV and the only social media I'm on is this which is unsurprisingly light on Aus politics.

Its ain't me being conned here

"You obsess over words like race because you're a racist. "

Its not me making the law here for one special separate group of people with their own distinct genetics

Right here:

"its composition, functions, powers and procedures"

There is literally no scope included - they'll decide after

Yt-dlp

My argument is that this is the shut way to make a change and does nothing to address any issue that . All it does is create a new branch of government that is exclusive to one type of people. That's the start of apartheid, not a solution to the issues of health education and opportunity.

They were and are included you fucking moron. How many first nations people are currently sitting members of state and federal parliament? And besides that every fucking person in this country has council members, state MPs and federal MPs already. Not included my shiny metal ass

Well you've just erected a pretty nice strawman there but not much else.

"It has no legislative, executive, or judicial powers."

Nobody has any fucking clue what powers it might have, its a blank check. Show one fucking piece of evidence that there is any public plan for what this "advisory body" can and can't do, or shut the fuck up.

Sure, we can change it. But there has not been any fucking legitimate reason presented as to why we should. The arguments presented by the Yes campaign are certainly emotional, but not fucking one has presented any argument as to what this body will actually do to change anything.

White Australians making decisions on things they don't understand because of guilt for things the British empire did. How noble.

Which is a damn shame too cos most tkof them are doing because they're just as uninformed as the yes side.

Its fucking brexit all over again.

Some discussion and informed decision making wouldn't go astray, but its a bit fucking late now

Well I mean, have you researched the issue, analyzed it, and developed your own position based on evidence?

Or are you just listening to what comes out of the TV?

If you get your opinions from someone who hands them to you fully formed (like Voice good, no voice racist) then that is propaganda, not information.

As to your second question - a: politicians scoring points and winning elections; and b: a whole lot of people who get a hand in deciding laws and economic decisions for their own special group.

And before you bang out the line about lobby groups all having a say already - yes of course we should fuck those off as well because they too are undemocratic corruption

What are you on about? How is it clear? if anything its deliberately unclear. Theres no framework, no restrictions, no indicationonf membership or how it will be chosen, no scope of any kind.

How the fuck does that parse as "clear" in your mind?

I'm not campaigning here so I'm not really making a coherent argument, and I know that isn't helping.

Still, here's the main point - look at the constitution. What's it about and what's it for? It starts by outlining theformationa and function of the house of reps, senate, and judiciary. There's a section on the states and one on commerce. That's it. Its a how-to manual for the federal government.

So how then does an advisory body fit into thatdocuments? What's its purpose? It can only be as a third (fourth?) Branch of government because that's what the document is.

When you get all these people saying "oh its just this or that it has no power its just so they get a say" - that's not the function of the constitution and its parts. By putting it in there with a legislative blank check - that's the creation of a part of the government.

I would not support the creation of that body regardless of its makeup. For 300 years no we've been running vaguely successful democracies (that's a whole other conversation) with two legislative branches and a judiciary. Nobody through this whole process has given any reason why this should change or even given a thought to a change management process.

What's the actual reasoning, the actual effect, the actual risks? Nobody knows! Because if you dare to raise any question you're clearly just a fucken racist.

Final question - people that stand apart from the Australian government? Can you clarify that? Because that sounds like insurrection to me. If this is some sort of soft revolution, I'm even more against it.

I don't represent anything except the desire to maintain democracy and egalitarianism

No I haven't cos I'm not. I'm only interested in preserving democracy. That means equality and egalitarianism. Representative government, which we already fucking have.

And what does that have to do with our modern (and future) Democratic nation?

None of us took anything from any others of us. Its a totally irrelevant point.

We can't go around changing g the fundamental nature of democracy because of historical tragedies or in 15 minutes we'll be back to fucking tribalism and feudal lords.

They're not racial groups? Are you fucking kidding me? You absolute Muppet.

Adding a new governmental body that is open to only one racial group is racist and it is also undemocratic.

Your vote is well intentioned its just poorly informed. You've been propagandised.

Nope, its a vote to change the consimtitution to add a body which is for one racial group and then to decide its powers after its been created. Its undemocratic and racist

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All Jazeera on the strike, no mention of the message from the IDF though: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/9/we-will-never-be-safe-a-day-of-bombing-in-gazas-jabalia-refugee-camp