Norm's take on history
Norm's take on history
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RIP indeed, dude was the funniest comedian to me. I went and watched every possible clip of Norm available online right before he passed. The YouTube channel I'm Not Norm has 'em all
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Fuck Youtube, use the Internet Archive instead. Here is the link to watch all the Norm podcasts with NO ADS:
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At least now we know it really wasn't Norm.
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I'm not norm is a legend
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Norm was fairly right-wing and said some pretty unacceptable things., but he was an undeniably talented comedian and I'm glad we have his body of work to remember him by.
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Mr. MacDonald had this to say about the sentencing: "In Nebraska, a man was sentenced for killing a female crossdresser [sic] who had accused him of rape and two of her friends. Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but in my mind, they all deserved to die."
In case you don’t know where to look. This (and other comments) is well documented and plenty discussed. I don’t know if I’d say he’s right wing nor would I say he’s left wing. He was definitely bigoted and sexist.
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IA IA OOOH
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He shouldn't have had so many cheeseburgers from his restaurant
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Well it is because the bad guys were real jerks!
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I know I'm taking a joke remark too seriously, but "History is written by the victors" is just plain wrong. More often than not it is, sure, but it's not exclusively, or even overwhelmingly.
History is written by those who write it. This can be the winners or the losers, and there are plenty of examples for both.
E: people crying about this even though it's blatantly true and I've provided plenty of examples in another comment.
Sorry, but people need to stop universally applying and blindly believing Churchill's history is written by the victors quote.
It was a half-cocked throwaway line by a politician, it's not a universal law.
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"Just plain wrong"......."More often than not" yeah.....
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No saying is a universal law, that's not really the point of those phrases. "How history is taught is heavily influenced by those in power" is just not as catchy. I think you're taking it too literally.
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I'm pointing this out to people and they're saying no it's 100% a universal law. I'm aware the quote likely wasn't originally meant that way.
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maybe instead of 'written' it should be 'taught' or 'indoctrinated'
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“History is written by the victors” is just plain wrong
The most published book in the world just so happens to be the religious narrative that justifies the most successful empire-building exercise in world history.
The second most published book in the world is a book of quotations by the founder of the modern incarnation of the most populace (and arguably the most economically successful) nation in world history.
The third most published book (series) in the world is a fantasy about wizards in high school written and distributed by the colonial power that originally mass marketed that first book so aggressively.
it’s not exclusively, or even overwhelmingly
Perhaps "History is published and distributed by the victors" is a more accurate. But it is always worth analyzing the historical narrative you receive through the lens of the people producing and distributing the texts.
Yeah, sure, Howard Zinn and Hunter S. Thompson and Betty Friedan exist. But their works are unlikely to be the ones your Middle School World History teacher is distributing copies of. In fact, given the recent wave of book bans and library scourges happening across the United States, you're even less likely to find a copy of their works today than you would have five or ten years ago.
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You're deliberately misinterpreting my statement as "history is never written by the victors", which isn't what I said. I have another comment with a number of examples that disprove the quote that everyone treats as gospel.
I don't know what your second example is referring to.
And Harry Potter being written by someone who happens to be from a former colonial power is the biggest reach I believe I've seen in my entire life. So good job with that.
Seriously, how is that an example of history being written by the victors? Childrens books are written by the victors, maybe. It's a book about magic school kids, not a writing of history. And it was published by a publishing company, not by the government of colonial-era Britain.
History is not written by the victors. It is written by those who are most able to write history. More often than not this is the victors, but it is far, far from the rule.
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I'm pretty sure I know what the first book is, and I'm pretty sure I've read the third book(s). What is the second?
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Those books aren't really history though. You could argue that there is some history in the Bible, but a lot of it is not history at all.
Also, the Old Testament was written by the Jews while they were part of the Persian Empire, so I'd say they were still the losers even though they were released from slavery and given land.
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Yes, I listened a really long podcast about it and I know it made total sense and listed a lot of evidence, but as always, I can't recall anything but the point that truly the saying is wrong. Do you have an example?
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If history was written exclusively by the victors, the Khans would be considered one of the greatest empires of all time. However, the Mongolians didn't really have a pronounced aristocracy class that focused on arts/writing, and so most of our records regarding their conquests are written by Chinese and European scholars, a.k.a. the losers.
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Can you reword that?
The Native Americans are generally considered "the good guys" and clearly lost.
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.... I think you're mistaking this joke for an invitation to the validity of the historical remarks that were made in this.... meme
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Sorry but Canadians aren't funny
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Sorry
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“You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don’t care for him.”
Well he lost so history remains intact.
Idk, I've been flipping through this history book written in 1941 and it says he did a lot of winning so how bad could he be?
Isn't it "the less" you care for him?
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I'll show myself out.