Switched from Manjaro to Fedora after being told Manjaro is "a bad distro" by many. Looking for a telnet terminal such as Syncterm to run on rpm or flatpak.

My 6800xt desktop regularly froze on endeavour, but on nobara it hasn't frozen nearly as frequently. Also, i encountered an update issue that broke most of the packages, and I spent an absurd amount of time fixing it. It happened again after a couple of months. I managed to fix it quicker this time, but endeavour os (and arch) is not as stable as the experienced arch users make it to be. I'm not an arch newbie btw. I've been using arch, Manjaro, and endeavour for close to 10 years now. Just recently switched to nobara. (distrohopped frequently since Ubuntu 5.04, but I just want a maintenance free distro these days)

If they want a full-fledged system running Arch, then EndeavourOS might be the best bet. Archinstall is great for quickly installing Arch but there's still quite a lot of set-up required after that, and for some people, they don't really want to do that. EndeavourOS is essentially a ready-made Arch set up (or as another person said here, a very opinionated Arch install), and is based on Arch's repos but has its own extra repo for its own software while Manjaro holds the packages back for two weeks (which creates sync problems with, say, the AUR)

Going to weigh in, manjaro devs are kinda incompetent. They've ddosed the aur twice in the exact same way, showing that they hadn't done anything to solve the inherent issue. Their ssl certs keep expiring, even though auto-renewal takes about ten minutes to set up while telling their users to "change your clocks time" as a patch solution while they fix their certs once (which took hours).

Their head arm developer sent a patch to asahi linux which broke x-org, showing he shipped code without so much as running the thing to test making a change well known and documented to cause this error with zero benefit to the project or his commit. This, after manjaro claimed that "manjaro works on the macbook m1" by using the asahi kernal with a full on campaign, shipping a random kernel from the release page which was known to be broken. It would not turn on, and could easily have broken users systems. Asahi at the time simply did not work, nor would it for a while.

They keep making dumb mistakes learning nothing and not asking for help when it's obviously needed. Their two week delay, though it fixes some issues, commonly still ships known broken updates when unnecessary.

They put the aur directly next to flatpack and snap in pamac without a proper warning. The aur is dangerous, you need to know how to use it, and to read the pkgbuild. Anybody can put any app up there and you'll be running arbitrary code on the system. Flatpack and snaps are quite safe, the aur is not. A while ago, a guy put a list of people who can "fuck themselves", insults, and homophobic statements alongside two calls to a IP grabber in the dolphin emulator package. When there's malware on linux, the aur is likely to be the first targeted

They've made many suggestions in their forums that lead to bad habits, putting more stress on arch devs and their servers.

It's due to the continual incompetence of the devs, them damaging other projects they depend on, and the devs being quite unfriendly in the forums that people hate manjaro. I'd love to see it become better as the concept is a decent one but with the current leadership and work being done I have to caution against it's use

My problem with Manjaro was that they continually kept their repos behind arch while still depending on the aur and other arch infrastructure. This caused problems like aur packages not being buildable, and software that used the arch debuginfod server being unusable.

Mostly due to how the team behind Manjaro acts. Personally have been using plain arch for years while my Manjaro installation fucked itself after half a year.

A small compilation can be found in the link below: https://github.com/arindas/manjarno

It breaks. It may never break on you but it breaks on A LOT of people and, as a result, there are lots of “don’t use Manjaro people out ther”..

I am not going into detail as I am exhausted from arguing with Manjaro fans that want to pretend all is ex-Manjaro users are wrong about our own experience. The above answers your question. Believe it or not.

Good god, someone who actually read the OP's question and replied with information respondent to it instead of just shrieking "how dare you not use the distro I like" at them. I was starting to think that was banned around here :)

I could kiss you! It worked! Not only was this solution great, but I also learned how to run a bash script and grab dev libraries to execute ncurses and make commands.

Thank you SO much!!

Don't understand why you're being downvoted, this is definitely the cleanest solution.
There's also a new handy app to manage the containers of distrobox: BoxBuddy, I've just noticed it switched to Rust and GTK now and, even better, it's right there on Flathub!

I convinced myself that manjaro is less stable than fedora. But not completely. It depends on the device and what is installed on it.

For some reason, I was able to run Manjaro on my hp laptop without issues for a long time. However my brother on his Lenovo laptop, the manjaro update just killed itself after 2 months. And this always after some months the updater would not work anymore.

I then installed Fedora on his laptop, and damn that thing stayed up and running for 2y now. Even after major system update, never broke, and package install always worked, at least when the tutorials are up to date on special things.

Like installing video codecs, I had to do another command which was not mentioned on the fedora docs, in order to switch from ffmpeg libre to ffmpeg. And then the rest of the install commands would work.

Yes same here, I've been using Manjaro for a few years since I'm too busy to waste an entire day setting up a naked Arch. I have had no single stability issue, thing is rock solid

On the counterpart, fedora has always felt like I can't get a single package installed without the need for arcane sudo magic tricks and my system being unable to update anymore at the end of the process. I know that the problem probably lies between the bed and the keyboard, but come on, I am skilled enough to install and rice an Archlinux and manage my AUR packages without problems, but can't install GCC on fedora? Hmmm....

And I'm not even mentioning conflicts and packages being unavailable either because your version of fedora is too young or too old

Same. Fedora is one of the worst distros I tried.

Love Manjaro though.

It's important people feel confident to make decisions for themselves and not just do what losers on the internet tell them to.

That's what I was wondering. Seems like a recipe for disaster having your main system be several versions behind them shoehorning bleeding dependencies for AUR programs into the mix.

They have an option in their own pamac GUI to enable the AUR. IMO if they want to send the message that it will cause issues and it shouldn't be used, they shouldn't make it so easy to enable. Or if they do want to make it that easy, display a clear disclaimer about the issues you can expect to run into if you try it.

I have started using Distrobox + Arch as well to get the AUR in other systems. I quite like Chimera Linux for example but it has few packages at the point. Distrobox + Arch / AUR solves that perfectly.

Qodem is in the repo?! I'll just use that! Thank you.

Oh cool no I didn't know that. I thought it was running code hosted elsewhere.

These two pages outlines the reasons pretty well:

• https://github.com/arindas/manjarno
• https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/

The latter seems to be dead, so here's a copy on the WayBack Machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230304010442/manjarno.snorlax.sh

I wanted to add a summary to this comment, but I'm too sleepy to do that right now. Maybe I'll come back to add it tomorrow.

Every distribution is considered bad by at least some Linux users.

The problem with that approach is that some packages on your system will likely be maintained by Manjaro and are not found in Arch, so when your system updates while that package does not, it can lead to breakage.

Go the EndeavorOS route instead, if you want a graphical way a system you can easily convert to pure Arch.

Yes*. Unless of course the Manjaro makes some dumb mistake as they have regularly historically. There is nothing wrong with it by design though if you avoid the AUR.

A lot of the “working for years” comments here look like folks who only use the Manjaro repos.

Not upgrading your system for like 6 months is a really bad practice that should not be recommended ever. If you don't want to upgrade your system all that often, then why not install something like Debian instead of a rolling distro?

Did you read that they moved away from Manjaro? So pamac is not going to cut it. How does pamac help them on Fedora?

Many of the recommendations are to install EndeavourOS where your pamac instructions would work ( although pamac is not installed by default ).

In EndeavourOS, “yay -S syncterm” would work out-of-the box on a fresh EOS install. No need even to “enable the AUR”.

In my opinion, that is even simpler than what you are proposing for Manjaro. And since EOS uses real Arch packages, it is less likely to break or complain about package versions than Manjaro is.

I used to use Manjaro. It broke my system and I had many AUR problems. To my ears, Manjaro is bad advice. I am a happy EOS user for years now.

Your recommending Mageaia? Seriously?

I would go with Linux mint, Fedora or something a little more mainstream