Chinese prisoner’s ID card apparently found in lining of Regatta coat
Chinese prisoner’s ID card apparently found in lining of Regatta coat
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Chinese prisoner’s ID card apparently found in lining of Regatta coat
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Slave labor?
For all we know it could be the exact same thing the US does with our prisoner work programs.
So if we're going to call out China, can we please stop doing it here too?
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Have to pay the prisoners a prevailing wage in the USA when working for private businesses.
Edit: You don't need to pay them the prevailing wage when they are not working for private companies so. If they are cooking or cleaning in the prison or making license plates they make peanuts.
Seems China underpays their prison labourers but they should get paid. Should.
Edit 2: I kept looking and there is a lack of evidence from what I wrote other than the US government saying they get a prevailing wage, nobody seems to give an exact number of what they make. China actually gives a number. 600 yuan a month in 2019. Take that as you will.
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That prevailing wage? Most prison laborers in America make less than $0.50 an hour If they're even paid at all, and are severely punished if they try to take a sick day.
I can't find anything that specifically says that Walmart, Wendy's, McDonald's or any of the other ones pays even minimum wage to prison laborers, but these businesses do get a $2,400 tax credit for each work release inmate they employ. The work release inmates are probably paid a real wage because they count as real people but I have trouble believing they would ever pay more than they absolutely had to for an inmate's labor.
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It came out a couple years ago that inmates in my state were raising goats and making goat cheese for Whole Foods. The wage for prisoners here is $2/day. There’s a state somewhere to my east where prisoners work at Burger King for similar wages.
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If Regatta was truly committed to zero prison labor and zero slave labor, then they wouldn't have any products made in China.
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Chinese prison labor bad. Western prison labor good.
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Chinese prison labor bad.
WesternUS prison labor good.ftfy
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I was talking to a relative about Temu the other day, "How can they sell shit so cheap? Like, there's got to be slavery involved somewhere."
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Temu and Shein have some of the most absurdly optimized supply chains in the world
Chinese workers are also just more efficient than American ones LOL
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Lemmy.ml calling slave labor efficient because it's Chinese slave labor.
Got to love your patriotism, but maybe dial it back a bit on the justifying slavery.
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Temu, at least, is just a dropshipper. Temu itself doesn't have any supply chain. The vendors that sell through Temu do.
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Why wouldn't they be more efficient? If I mess up at my job, they don't execute me for it.
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I hope this is all part of some psy opp to fuck with the west. I too hope to find a prize sewn inside my clothes and really recapture that cereal box feeling.
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It's that cereal Box feeling Now exclusively with dead ugyhers woop de doo!!!!
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Despite feeling uneasy, the woman disposed of the card and “thought nothing more of it”.
Who here would actually throw away the ID?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The card was found inside a plastic holder embossed with the words: “Produced by the Ministry of Justice prisons bureau.”
The prison identified on the ID card found in the Regatta coat says on its website that it specialises in clothing production and the processing of electronics components.
Last month, the French broadcaster Arte aired a documentary about a handwritten Chinese letter that was found inside a pregnancy test bought in Paris.
The finding in the Regatta coat is unusual in that it identifies a specific individual, which risks repercussions for that person, and did not come with a note.
Sarah Brooks, Amnesty International’s deputy regional director for China, said: “Companies have a responsibility to do much more to guarantee their supply chains are free of human rights abuses – wherever they operate in the world.
The mere existence of allegations of forced or compulsory labour must at a minimum alert companies to the risk of having links to these abuses.”
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Definitely Primark 2.0.
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Yeah let's focus on Chinese prison labour, ignoring the US's much higher incarceration rate, and the literal genocide they're funding right now.
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Yeah let's focus on Chinese prison labour
Since that's what we're talking about right now, yes, let's.
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criticising other countries is banned if you were born in the wrong country
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Two things can be bad and you can discuss both of them. Let's not lose our sights on something because something else is worse.
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Are US prisoners risking their lives to tell the world what's happening to them?
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You want to know why China is so absurdly cheap for everything? This is part of the reason why. I wonder how many prison mining camps, prison garment/textile camps, etc. Are operating with the sole goal of keeping costs as absolutely rock bottom as possible. China is making a killing by undercutting the global market on costs for just about everything.
Forced prison labour is the foundation of a number of economies, including the US'. It's explicitly not prohibited in the Constitution.
China can't use prison labour to undercut global markets because they have a smaller prison labour pool than their key economic competitor (the US).
I don't believe that. Chinas prison stats are around 1.69mil (which is oddly on par with the US - per capita not taken into consideration). However, per the Global Slavery Index, there's an estimated 5.8 million people enslaved there. And we know that there were over 1 million Uyghur Muslims, and we really don't even know the extent to which that is happening either.
I'd be willing to bet that there's a lot more slave/prison labor going over there than even we realize.
This post has so many controversial aspects:
Instead, China uses their prison population to bolster their organ transplant market.
Edit: I wonder if the people who downvoted realise that China admitted they had been harvesting organs from prisoners but claimed it was voluntary and that they were stopping. Meanwhile, the exponential growth of their transplant industry continued beyond 2014.
Cool, I was just thinking the answer to this problem was either 'both sides' or 'what about'.
Meanwhile, the price of products of prison labour in Germany. About the best grills you can get, anywhere, period. All 2mm stainless, well thought through design (removable rods!), excellent craftsmanship.
Don't get me wrong though prisoners still earn a pittance, anything under 2 Euros/hour has just been declared definitely unconstitutional -- that's raw, untaxed wage though without deduction for any costs, a day of prison costs the state something like 120 Euros and those grills sell like hotcakes even at those prices so why would the state lower prices.
What you should definitely look at in this context is, two things: First, where the money is flowing: Are the prisons hiring out prisoners at a pittance allowing private companies to reap profit still burdening society with the full costs of lockup -- or, worse, the profits exceeding the lockup costs and prisoners not seeing a cent of that excess. That's called straight-up slavery, no ambiguity or grey zone to be had there. Secondly, whether the prisoners actually and truly benefit -- and I don't really mean in monetary terms (though if you go poor to prison you definitely shouldn't go out indebted, that's bad policy), but in terms of being able to get a proper and dignified job afterwards: Mindlessly folding cardboard boxes which a machine could do for cheaper if it wasn't for the fact that you're earning a cent an hour vs. to wit above, people becoming skilled metalworkers. One of those makes recidivism less likely, the other teaches inmates that labour is something no sane person would ever want to do.
Not just China!
QI show about US prisons: https://youtu.be/sHz2Hmq7soo ... so many years ago, so it's slightly out of date.
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I don't remember what it was called, but I seem to recall there being some sort of documentary or movie or something of the likes about someone here in the US who found a note from a prisoner in their brand new pack of Christmas lights (or some similar holiday product).
Edit: a word.
Prisoners prop up global powers.
Whose being?