Italy bans cultivated meat products

Italy is the first nation in the world to be safe from the social and economic risks of synthetic food

more like the only nation to consider all cultivated meat a problem and prohibit it instead of regulating it.

social and economic risks of synthetic food
yeah 2 things humans just will never solve for, better shut it down. shut it all down.
- It's funny how you can replace synthetic food in that sentence with almost anything and it makes as much sense as the original sentence.
prohibit it instead of regulating it.
It's like 90% of Italy's mindset 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
(Really tho, if we start regulating stuff there would be shit rules)

So they're banning what's likely the "end all, be all" meat replacement in the (hopefully not so distant) future just so that being a "livestock farmer" remains viable?

Yes but of course. "Ban the machines that can harvest our crops, we want to keep our slaves" Its so sad to see...
Communism is a hell of a drug.
- You’ve demonstrated that ignorance is a hell of a problem.
- Hold on, which way is communism? Banning it or not banning it?

‘In defence of health, of the Italian production system, of thousands of jobs, of our culture and tradition, with the law approved today, Italy is the first nation in the world to be safe from the social and economic risks of synthetic food,’

Health? Yeah, get back to me the next time there's an outbreak of mad cow disease, swine flu, or bird flu and say that to my face.

Jobs? The synthetic meat isn't going to make itself, and there will always be a market for "organic" meat in any case.

Tradition? The human race's oldest and most persistent fallacy. The democracy of the dead.

This is shortsighted. This guys sounds exactly like the idiot lawmakers here in America who said solar panels and electric cars will never catch on, so what's the point in investing in them now?

I wonder how much money the country makes by protecting those traditional methods of producing meats and exporting their products at high prices. Maybe that's what they're after. 🤔
- I’m a big fan of traditional meats

We have a really stupid minister in charge of this stuff. And i mean it in the truest sense of the word, this guy has a room temperature iq.

Anyways, the sale ban will probably fail in court, the production ban will only harm the italian industry because sure as hell they can't stop european synthetic meat from entering the country.

Room temperature Celsius no less
- We're talking Italy, so Celsius is assumed.
They can't stop synth meat coming in at the minute, but they can after they decide to Italeave... that doesn't sound as good as Brexit, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
- There will be no italeave/italexit. Even the worst populist here knows it's suicide.

Well that's understandable. I too want my meat to have been grown in its own shit and be pumped full of antibiotics and let's not forget the secret incredient: cruelty.

Lab-grown meat is equated to synthetic ingredients and ultra-processed foods which are known to raise health problems (but are not banned, not all additives at least and not everywhere).
Considering how politics goes these days, the producers of cultivated meat just hadn't a grip on the ministry as strong as the farmer lobby. No ideological or public health reason whatsoever. And it's not Italy, it's just politics and business everywhere.
Today it's Italy's turn, maybe tomorrow someone else will be on the hot seat.
- and ultra-processed foods which are known to raise health problems
  The data on this are very dubious at best. Most researchers can't even agree on a definition of what they are. Corelation studies should always be taken with a grain of salt.
- Wonder when Lollobrigida is going to ban smoking btw...
- I wouldn't want synthetic meat unless there are strict quality standards in place

Fake news. There's a proposal from March, it is not a law. And it's so stupid that it bans production, not import (just to fuck over an already stalling economy)

But don't spread fake news.

Edit: found article on sole24ore. You are right and our government is a bunch of retarded.

Edit2: https://www.linkiesta.it/2023/12/mattarella-legge-carne-coltivata-servira-prima-lok-dellue/ This article says that our beloved president Mattarella did not sign it and sent it to Brussel for review.

BBC article states "Italian MPs have voted to back a law banning the production, sale or import of cultivated meat or animal feed, in what the right-wing government calls a defence of Italian tradition."
- I'm Italian, no news is speaking about it. Last articles are from 28-29 March talking about a proposal, so not yet law.
All of these links say yes, it's a law that the sale and production of synthetic meat is banned in Italy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67448116
https://www.barrons.com/news/italy-bans-production-sale-of-lab-grown-meat-328efe2d
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2023/11/21/Italy-bans-cultivated-meat-restricts-plant-based-meat-labelling
https://www.just-food.com/news/italys-ban-on-cultivated-meat-approved-by-lawmakers/
- I'm Italian, no news is speaking about it. Last articles are from 28-29 March talking about a proposal, so not yet law.
  Edit: found article on sole24ore. You are right and our government is a bunch of retarded.
Fake? but... https://www.forbes.com/sites/danieladelorenzo/2023/11/19/italys-cultivated-meat-ban-just-a-strategic-move-ahead-eu-elections-ngo-say/?sh=7b4fe8c21323
- I'm Italian, no news is speaking about it. Last articles are from 28-29 March talking about a proposal, so not yet law.
  Edit: found article on sole24ore. You are right and our government is a bunch of retarded.

We’re a sad country

Please, non-Italians, pay attention: that has nothing to do with Italian cuisine, no chefs, traditional groups or whatsoever said anything about cultivated meat. And no dumb scientist said anything either. It's just some bigot, retrograde minister of ours.

Thanks for the insight, friend
Sorry you have that idiota

I'm going to snap all my spaghetti in half until this is repealed.

Hot take: spaghetti is garbage tier pasta. Snap it not because of this but because it sucks
- Don’t just talk shit. Tell me what (and where) pasta I should be eating, goddamnit.
- I love em
- Bet. Why would you eat spaghetti when mostaccioli exists?
It's fake, FFS.

This is stupid.

It’s stupid and fake!

Yes it's stupid, yes many Italians are pissed about this too, yes this will sunk our economy even more, yey italy

Is that what the people want, or some big key to power that stands to inevitably lose out? If other countries transition out of meat livestock isn't it pointless to handicap yourself?

Italian parma ham and such is quite famous and Italians seem to take their authentic cuisine very seriously. Supposedly there afraid that low quality fake meat will overrun the current market. I imagine the meet industry there is quite powerful though so assume lobbying was part of this.
- Purged by creator
- Since Italians take the authenticity of foods so seriously, Prosciutto di Parma and many other foods are already protected by DOP designation.

Italy be taking a lotta L's these days. I wonder who they will side with in WW3?

Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.
Don't they have a volcano about to decimate them?
- Thank you for your appreciation! We actually have more than one (Vesuvio, Etna, Stromboli, etc.) and please don't underestimate earthquakes.
- I'm all in for the death of humanity but why us specifically? Don't be racist, be inclusive.
Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.
Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.

Reactionaries opposing technological innovations that would prevent suffering because they're not 'natural'. Color me surprised.

Italy you say? The one EU member that has repeatedly used its power to lock down ag requirements and protections for it own foods for the other member states?

The only upside is that gabbagol is delicious, and who would want to fuck that up?

It locks down names. You can produce parmisan, you can't label it "parmigiano reggiano".

Slightly off-topic, but, is there a Lemmy community for cellular agriculture, akin to r/wheresthebeef? That's one of the few remaining subreddits I haven't found a Lemmy replacement for yet.

You have piqued my interest. Is this something people do at home? Grow their own meats?
- Sounds gross. I’m totally in.
- Is this something people do at home Grow their own meats?
  Not yet, and possibly not ever. Most current development is limited to academic institutions and small startup companies. But who knows what the future brings? Perhaps one day people will grow steaks at home similar to how one might ferment their own beer or yogurt. My guess is that it would be more trouble than it's worth for the average people though.

ahah why? is this a religious thing or a socio-political thing?

answer:

When the ban was proposed earlier this year, Lollobrigida had indicated that its main goal was to protect Italian farmers.

Conservatives gonna conservatise
- Everything except the environment and ecosystem

I upvoted the post so others see it, but I do not like that they're banning it. That's poopy garbage ass.

No spicy cultivated meatball

Similar thing happening Romania too, it's disheartening but in a country where the meat industry was already hit hard I can understand the economic reasons behind it, but that doesn't mean I'm a fan of it.

Of course a lot of people are also just afraid of anything synthetic and "unnatural", falling into the same category as GMOs.

The country should be able to subsidise short-term economic failure, but it shouldn't hold afloat something that is bound to die (or reduce in size), especially through legal means. It goes against capitalism that underpins that economy, and common sense.... Things change, and businesses die.
- Eh, in a real world sure, but a lot of governments run on populism more so than capitalism. Just sell whatever will get you re elected.

Italy has been on a roll of incredibly stupid and incompetent bills lately. Working on literally everything except insuring their people can fucking afford food.

Excellent! I hope the rest of the EU follows suit

Why?
- It's not real meat. It's not a natural process. It should not be done. Don't mess with the way God created things.
L take

I think its a good thing. Cultivated "meat" is just a giant cancer grown in laboratory. Imagine what health risks eating cancer could bare...

I disagree with that statement generally, but anyway, you can't catch cancer. You can catch a disease that causes cancer, but eating cancer itself wouldn't give you cancer. You can however catch prion disease... And these can live in real flesh/meat you get from a shop.
Also, there will be ground up cancer in processed meat. I guarantee it. You don't think farm animals get cancer?
You think regular meat doesn't ever come from animals with cancer? Or even contains cancerous cells? Not ever?
This dude doesn't even know what cancer is lmfao