Western libs and left have only one answer to all the problems in EU - Russia and Russiophobia.
Western libs and left have only one answer to all the problems in EU - Russia and Russiophobia.
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Imagine an FSB agent going to a bombed out village in sub-Saharan Africa, from which UN forces just bloodily expelled ISIS fighters, and that agent trying to convince the villagers to all get up and move to Britain because Russia wants them too.
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Afaik ISIS has never been active in subsaharan Africa
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ISIS has had a strong presence in Central and Northern Africa, and along with this article, off the top of my head I can say that there is a current UN multinational operation that is still fighting encircled remnant ISIS forces in Mali, Niger, Nigeria, and Mozambique.
Quote, "As of 2022, most of IS's African territory is confined to northeastern Nigeria and northern Mozambique, alongside large swathes of eastern Mali."
This is from 2015:
https://www.iiss.org/en/publications/strategic-comments/2015/isis-in-africa/
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Everything I don't like is Russian
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I get blaming Russia for most things, but immigration? Really?
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I figured it out that's a popular trope in Poland and liberal EU .
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The irony here is that the USSR actually took in refugees that Europe and the US wouldn't and otherwise allowed for a lot of immigration. If you were from Africa and you wanted to become a doctor before 2000 or so, you went to Russia.
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Yes, indeed. Ask Finland. They had increasing numbers of illegal immigrants all without passports crossing over from Russia in recent weeks. They are now tightening down security on that border.
If you believe those immigrants from Asia and Middle East just took a wrong turn and somehow marched all across Russia without any papers just to accidentally end up in Finland, I've got a bridge to sell to you.
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They had increasing numbers of illegal immigrants all without passports crossing over from Russia in recent weeks.
I just checked the "increasing numbers" and it turns out it's a couple hundred people at most. You're really being a baby about this. Is it also Russia's fault when you stub your toe in the morning?
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"Russia is making me hate immigrants by sending asiatics to the blessed Nordic."
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But he is talking about Geert Wilders and his anti immigration stance, saying the massive waves are Russia's responsibility. There are near 0 immigrants in The Netherlands coming from Russia. So is Russia also responsible for the Arab and African refugees that are coming to The Netherlands? For the Polish and Bulgarian and Romanian labour immigrants?
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And it is not because of Russophobia and NATO slavery of Finland? Are you sure?
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Okay Aaron Sorkin
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Those are...Russians...crossing into Finland.
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There always has to be an external malicious actor at play because otherwise it would mean that liberalism is failing and people are increasingly rejecting it. We see this happening in US as well where democrats still believe in the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory despite it having been thoroughly debunked at this point.
People who are still in the liberal mainstream are invariably those who haven't been hit by any significant economic hardship, and they see their conditions as being largely representative of those of a typical person. They dismiss the notion that people are rejecting liberalism because the standard of living is declining because their own standard of living has remained largely unchanged. So, the only logical explanation must be that nefarious Russians or Chinese or whoever are behind all this brewing civil unrest western countries are seeing.
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All these years, libs have been blaming crime on video games, music, and other media. Should we be shocked that it's projection? That they base their worldview on games like Civ VI and Masters of Orion where you click 'send spy' and a little avatar walks across the border and hides among the designated enemy?
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For sure, liberal world view is inherently infantile.
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Masters of Orion where you click ‘send spy’ and a little avatar walks across the border and hides among the designated enemy?
Lmao in Master of Orion espionage was just allocating % of your empire resources to it.
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There is also the fact that they had used up all the child slaves and stolen inheritances of abducted aboriginal First Nation children in Indian Residential fake schools that officially ended in 1998 and that continued after 1998 in secret to sustain the excessive free riding demand of Western European diaspora. The Western European diaspora could uses the immigrant of color as source of slaves and thievery to sustain the white free riding privileges, but the exploitation is not as effective as the Indian Residential fake school slave camps and death camps. In fact, the European diaspora of North America and Australia still need to illegally dump toxic chemical waste and landfill with highly poisonous leachate into the properties of Aboriginal groups and African Americans, lie that the residential fake school Holocaust are just "cultural genocide" to hide that fact that all the Nazi war crimes originated in the Indian Residential fake schools, and imprison aboriginal people in concentration camps which are used as toxic chemical dump sites until the Aboriginal groups forfeit the fruit of their labor and the reparation for the 150 years of fake school death camps.
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We see this happening in US as well where democrats still believe in the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory despite it having been thoroughly debunked at this point
It literally was never debunked? The Trump campaign straight-up sent internal polling data to agents of the Russian intelligence service, who then released Hillary's emails at the exact time necessary to derail media coverage of a major Trump scandal.
They were working together. Everybody knows they were. The Trump campaign openly admitted to it. The only thing that was "debunked" was "Russiagate was debunked."
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It literally was debunked though, and this is well documented at this point, but blueAnon just keep clinging to their conspiracy...
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"Don't send the files to the press. It'll look suspicious. Send everything to Russian intelligence and ask them to send it to our press. Nobody will question it. Plus everyone knows that emails don't work unless they go through a third party. It's just how it is."
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I've seen that take all over Reddit. Somehow Putin is causing Europe to be racist towards migrants and Wagner is in there to make Africa and the Middle East unstable so more migrants will go into Europe. Russiagate was the biggest gift libs ever got because now they accuse anything of being Russian.
They tried that shit in some parts of Latin America and it didn't take off because not as many people hate Putin as they do.
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It's worth noting that this didn't just happen organically. The democrats in US cultivated the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory to explain why Clinton lost to Trump back in 2016. Associating Russia with Trump was a brilliant move because Trump is so deeply hated by the democrat base, and this hatred was easily transplanted onto Russia by association. Thanks to the whole Mueller report, we now know that this was complete nonsense. Jacobin did some good reporting on it, but this didn't really get much coverage in the mainstream.
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Definitely saving this the next time an obnoxious lib sends me an article "proving" Russian interference.
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Also Aaron mate and Max blumenthal did good reporting on it. Russia hacking US election . lol
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The democrats saw the republicans get all crazy with their Qanon and got jalous so they made their own deep state new world order conspiracy theory.
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I don't know how many rubles I'd demand for voluntarily throwing away a quiet life to go on a Russian mission crossing the Mediterranean sea in a rowing boat, populate an abandoned Polish gym hall with like a thousand other migrants, and then live on subsidies in an area full of nazis; but it would not be a sum that the Kremlin could feasibly offer
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I'm just so dumbfounded at that last statement. Immigration waves coordinated by russia? fucking what?!
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It's not like years of violent imperialist foreign policy have anything to do with it..
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This has been all over Finnish news lately and my boomer relatives are going apopleptic about it. There is a huge surge of immigrants through the Eastern border currently, and I think the part where Russia comes in is that Russia is supposedly fast-tracking all immigrants that arrive within its borders visas and sending them to the Finnish border
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"Pekka Kallioniemi is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Tampere University and a social media expert."
For once I get to do the "muh taxpayer money" meme
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Russia shit my pants
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Got to the last sentence and holy shit
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This post is like Tommy Wiseau’s The Room: so convoluted and stupid, but I can just barely understand what’s being said. I can’t feign ignorance and say I don’t understand a single word they’re saying. But to say that I get where they’re coming from or that their points have any relevance or connection with the other shit they present is even more false. 1/10 post by the Lib, do better, get your narratives straight and stick to it
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I'm glad it wasn't just me--I kept staring at it trying to figure out what they were going on about.
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Blame Russia and problems are solved. great.😂
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Damn
Jewish bolsheviksRussian interference threatening European whiteness. Same shit new century. -
"Oh, beware the Moscow Gold!"
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I can’t believe the Russians gave me a tummy ache 😞
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the Kremlin is behind mass immigration to the EU
It can't be the wars and poverty created by unequal exchange baked into the EU's trade system, it must be the guys who are about as physically far away from where the immigrants are coming from as it's possible to be.
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Pekka is a guy whose job is doxxing people. so no shit, he is an asshole.
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He should go back to clash of clans and stay outta politics
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Dude...I wish FIS was capable and willing to do something anywhere near this. Half the time I'm convinced the service doesn't exist what with how comfortable certain people are abroad...
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I'm not gonna lie, with all respect, statements like this about "the Western libs and left" by grouping the left with the libs make me cringe every single time. The actual Western left, those that didn't sell their soul to attract libs, all are anti-war, anti-NATO and don't fall into this idiotic and xenophobic conspiracy theories. Just say libs, the description fits them all.
I understand the dislike against some of this so called "leftists" from the West, but let's please not fall into the mistake of feeding this narrative that only helps the right wing opportunists and their rhetorics that the left is not a solution in the Western world.
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Ngl, after KKE declaring Russia is imperialist and China too I have little hope for EU left. Yes, Die linke is somewhat good but they didn't go to Donbass and met the Russians there...also there is a great division regarding Russia. Even Clare daly and Mike didn't speak about the Ukrainian atrocities. What did Jeremy Corbyn do? Has justified the sanctions against Putin and Russia previously because of Navalny.
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I agree with you about a lot of those cases, I might be biased because I'm a Portuguese communist. The PCP has been done all those things (defend China, North Korea, go hard against the war, sending more military armament and sanctions) and got absolutely rammed by the media for being vocal about the conflict. There was literally a PCP delegate in the Donetsk election. The party was labeled as pro-Putin (which we're not and will never be), party buildings got vandalized and militants got death threats and aggression. Hell, now that people forgot that war and we're regaining strength, the media is still trying to make defamatory bullshit in an attempt to hurt the party.
The KKE is not an example for any decent communist party with their brand of eurocommunism that spread into a lot of major left parties in Europe. Should they define what is the Western left? Fuck no. Do they invalidate the existing Western parties and comrades that are fighting for the right cause? Fuck no!
About Clare Daly, google "Clare Daly Ukraine" see what shows up. Could they go further? Definitely, but I definitely understand why they don't in a continent where going further than that will get you labeled as a putinist, in favor of an alleged "genocide" and even get you in legal trouble in some places. The propaganda is extremely strong and, in my opinion, the best way we can recruit is to present it all in an agreeable digestible manner and give the people the tools to understand it all.
Now about Corbyn, why should we care what he says or not? He's a so called social democrat, I don't expect anything else from him.
I completely agree with you there's a lot of bad apples in the mainstream Western left, I absolutely hate them as much as you do. That should not invalidate or discourage others that are trying to make a difference. And it definitely feels unjust to be lumped in the same bag as eurocommunism and leftlibs as the definition of the "Western left". We're as much the definition of "Western left" as any of those Corbyns and Melenchons of Europe.
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What's KKE?
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The last sentence is such a mask off, liberals are barely hiding their tinfoil hat thinking and the fact that they hate immigrants as much as the far right.
They do?
Anti-immigration comes in part from , which is not a liberal view. Opposing immigration from non-white countries while accepting immigrants from white countries is racism, and that’s usually more associated with conservatives talking exclusively about Mexicans.
Well since you mentionned Mexicans I suppose you're basing your analysis on US politics rather than specifically EU politics is that right? I agree that it is imperial core in both cases but there are a few nuances.
In my experience with French politics, anti-Muslim / anti-Arab sentiment (a lot more prevalent since our immigrants are from the African continent) can be found all over the political spectrum, including social-democrats and self-proclaimed Communists.
The US Democratic Party might do more posturing, even with the Biden administration quietly pursuing Trumps policies. But in the end my point is that they have the same foundational racism that is linked to the material basis of the development of capitalism in the global north, settlers colonialism and genocide for the US and massive colonial empires for the EU