IDF: Hamas command center found under Gaza children’s hospital; hostages were likely held there
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Some more raw footage https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1724169252054188276
Hamas using hospitals as human shields is horrific. Israel ignoring the human shields is horrific.
IDF are just clarifying they are awful, as much as Hamas are.
Unfortunately no winners here, as is with most wars.
Arms dealers and manufacturers are winning big.
Framing this as a war is disingenuous. It's one of the most powerful militaries in the world trying to put down an insurgency via collective and indiscriminate punishment.
Israel is already robbing more Palestinian lands, justifying it with this war. Looks like they might be winners here.
Hamas is evil. IDF is evil. Show me a fucking cease fire.
The evil side doesn't want a cease fire. And no other countrie's armies are willing to die to try to make one.
Too bad they killed or sent away any journalist or independent organization able to verify their bullshit. So I guess we're supposed to take their word even of they lied more times than I can count?
It's a basement of a hospital that hundreds of civilians used as bomb shelter. Weak effort of propaganda from IDF because they know US will support the claim anyway.
... According to Hamas which has demonstrated with evidence that they lie in almost every instance to get ahead of the narrative. So far there has been no evidence that any Israeli organizational narrative has been false.
So UNICEF has already stated that the Gaza ministry of health numbers are accurate and can be taken as is. I can link the article.
So far there has been no evidence that any Israeli organizational narrative has been false.
The video they're using for evidence literally claims that a random calendar is a Hamas guard shift list.
"Hamas bombed their own hospital" - Israel Bombed it, according to independently-verified Channel 4 sources. Followed by openly bombing of multiple other hospitals. "Leaked Audio" of hamas taking blame was doctored and spliced from multiple sources.
"Hamas beheaded 40babies" - Backtracked to one baby, who wasn't decapitated at all, but in an area where Israeli helicopter gunners admit to blindly firing into civilian neighbourhoods for hours.
"Hamas killed 1400 civilians" - Backtracked to 1200 recently, including a vast majority being military personnel. Many of the civilians were likely killed by Israeli crossfire or intentionally via "Hannibal doctrine".
"Hamas uses tunnels under Al-Shifa" - Literally only a shitty blender video as "proof". Other attempts such as the above use what Israelis claim is a "guard shift pattern" on a wall, which is actually just translated into a calendar with no names on it all.
Not going to bother with people like you who wake up giddy with excitement to write off the lives of millions of people because they think there's some kind of elaborate military apperatus being deployed in hospitals when the reality is that almost every IDF accusation is a confession of the kind of behaviour their own brutes have been orchestrating for decades.
At this point, you're willingly choosing Israel's narrative out of malice, not stupidity.
Wow this morning it was a hostage holding room now it's a command center, remarkable
Until a reliable, independent news agency verifies it, any claim from either side should be viewed as misleading. It's also worth noting that it's not just Hamas denying this, it's also the facility itself. Here's part of a report from one of the BBC correspondents in Gaza:
"Israel has accused Hamas of having a command and control centre underneath Shifa - which the group denies.
I have been to the hospital hundreds of time - I was born there, my son was born there, in the last two months of my mum's life, she was inside the kidney dialysis centre and I used to visit her every day.
It is very hard to verify what is underneath. With my eyes, I haven't seen any military capability inside the hospital buildings."
Lastly, consider the fact that this hospital is in one of the places the IDF instructed Palestinians to flee to . Are we now saying that the IDF were purposefully trying to place Palestinians in danger by telling them to go to a location where they knew Hamas operated from?
EDIT: I was referring to the wrong hospital - see my comment below for details.
did idf really say that? :o
The BBC quote Dr Ebrahem Matar, a heart specialist in the intensive care unit at the Aqsa Martyrs' hospital - the only medical centre in the middle area of the Gaza Strip.
"Dr Matar said there was only one operating room and limited number of staff.
"'It is catastrophic and it is difficult. We see patients deteriorate due to the continuous pain and the continuous resistant infections.
"The hospital is in one of the areas the Israeli army has told Palestinians to flee to.'"
EDIT: It looks like this is a different hospital Dr Matar was talking about. I'll update my other comment too.
With the usual caveat "The IDF says:". Same care is needed to anything "The Hamas says:". Both sides have their agenda, and it is not necessary involving facts and truths.
totally agree on that but even our german state news station is reporting that there were foreign journalists with the soldiers on the spot to witness the storage of weapons and other military equipment, so it seems this has at least other sources besides the IDF
and to give perspective on our state news, they usually label any news shared by only one source or side as not independently verified and are financed by law by the german citizens and not some big company with an agenda. So they are by all means not perfect but usually a pretty safe source.
They have footage
It was actually funny looking through it lol. Does my guy just use social media to solely talk about Israel and Palestine XD
you're a bit nutty if you think we're all the same person :v
Fortieth time's the charm.
„Watch IDF Spokesperson RAdm. Daniel Hagari walk through one of Hamas' subterranean terrorist tunnels—only to exit in Gaza's Rantisi hospital on the other side. “
The footage does not show what the tweet suggests. Hagari does not enter the Hospital through a Hamas tunnel. At least not in the version they have uploaded.
I started to see a lot of Israel propaganda lately.
Lemmy’s Hamas groupies out in full force today. Can’t wait for every hamas member to die underground, screaming about their imaginary space man
Ikr, Lemmy is full of pro hamas
We don't care what the IDF says.
You probably should.
Whether you agree or not, it's always a good idea to hear both sides, otherwise there's a good chance you'll end up in an echo chamber.
If their story is fabricated it'll fall apart very quickly.
If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly.
It did. Look at the current top comment.
No you should not. During wars in particular you need third party verification, you can't be so naive to believe anything from the parties involved.
As an addendum, if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle and usually nothing like what people actually had to experience.
Honestly, what I see is much worse. Hamas stated they were going to use human shields and Israel hasn't given a fuck. War doesn't get any more sobering than that, to be honest.
I listen to a metric fuck ton of propaganda and it takes a ton of work to sort through it all. (I am using the term "propaganda" in the context of strong bias, not necessarily misinformation.) One thing I can say, is that the second you get emotional about news from sources like this, you are becoming vulnerable to actual misinformation. Information warfare is real and just as dangerous as bullets, in some ways.
Like I implied before, the actual truth to a story about war is probably much worse than people may think.
There is an underground city in Gaza. Terrorists hide there. It would be strange under the circumstances for there not to be tunnels leading to/from the hospital. The IDF's claim is most likely true.
The "other side" of the argument is not a rejection of this, it is to point out that these circumstances were manufactured by apartheid, and that they do not justify Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign
The US's claims related to this conflict are only slightly less worthless than Israel's. Remember the beheaded babies?
Who’s we? Are there more than one voices in your head?
We know, at least some of us, that you won't give Israel a fair shake.
Is there a part 2 to the Twitter video?
Not that I know of, but it's 5am there, so maybe later on.
Isn't this the video where they used things like a calendar with regular dates and claimed it was a list of Hamas members?
The entire area they showed looked like the power area of the hospital's basement, with various things on the walls and such that indicate hospital and nothing else.
Their only "evidence" in the videos was the pile of guns they showed, which...isn't really evidence of anything, especially since we have no way to tell if those were planted or not.
Reminds me of Russia's failed attempt to demonstrate that Nazis were in Ukraine by releasing photos of a 'bust' that was obviously staged and includes gems like multiple copies of The Sims video game which were supposed to be sim cards.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/russia-appears-to-confuse-the-sims-for-sim-cards-in-possible-staged-assassination-attempt/
This whole article is just bonkers.
I mean, there are definitely Nazis fighting for Ukraine. As there were Nazis fighting for Wagner, it's not exactly a secret and they have the symbols right on their uniforms.
Lol, yeah. I just had to explain how that kind of manipulation works.
Propaganda is a powerful force when it's used to reinforce an existing bias. Facts are irrelevant because you saw what you wanted to see.
Governments play the propaganda war hard. I am not picking sides over it: It is what it is.
Edit: Confirmation bias. That is the phrase I was referring to.
Yes lol. Apparently a terrorist militia command center is less well armed than a random house in Arizona. If you watch this video and are convinced by it, I have a bridge to sell you.
Especially with this coming on the heels of that almost pristine copy of Mein Kampf they were pushing as belonging to a Hamas member in a children's room the IDF partially blew up.
No, they didn’t.
They claimed it looks like a shift calendar where each terrorist signed in for his shift in guarding the hostages.
They showed much more than that, including equipment, clothes and a motorcycle that are suspected to have been used in the 7/10 atrocities.
They do say that they are still investigating and going over the evidence, but show and make it clear that they did find weapons and a command post inside the hospital.
Regarding the planted comment - well, if that's what you believe then it doesn't really matter what they show, doesn't it? You've already made up your mind and it doesn't matter what the evidence show..
Sorry, but showing pictures of guns, clothes and a motorcycle is not evidence. I don't care what the news is about or where it's from. True or not, this kind of thing needs independent reporting and third-party verification. Period.
When you see stories like this from any source, question everything. Showing pictures that confirm an existing bias is a powerful tool of manipulation, so please remember that.
Early in the Ukraine war, Russia was pushing the Nazi misinformation extremely hard. By the time fake news stories were debunked, it was too late. Russians were fully convinced that Ukraine was about to invade and old news getting debunked didn't matter.
This story is an example: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-agents-the-sims-video-game-sting-operation-2022-4
Lets just say there are quite a few layers to the story I linked, so take it with a grain of salt. _It is just an example.
Then why did they lie about a calendar? What was the purpose of that exactly?
The infowar continues, and Bidens choices have brought in neo-progressives to help the Israelis.
Sure, Biden did this. They found them in the hospital basement right next to the calendar and stack of planted guns.