Nashville college freshman Jillian Ludwig dies after being hit by a stray bullet at a local park
Belmont University student Jillian Ludwig dies after being hit by a stray bullet at a local park
How in the FUCK does that guy get access to guns? Is there literally no check and balances for buying a gun in the states? WTF
From the article it sounds like there were two people randomly shooting at a car. It's plausible that the other guy just gave him one if his guns.
What a challenging character: He had a brain injury in infancy, functions at a kindergarten level, and can’t be tried due to incompetence, but he apparently drives and repeatedly pulls straps.
Thank God for American logic and lobbying, we avoided punishing our loyal gun owners
This is the kind of story you save for one of those 2A "shall not be infringed" absolutists. There is no way that a just set of laws would let this guy get a gun.
A Nashville college student died a day after she was shot in the head allegedly by a man authorities said had previously been released for incompetence to stand trial in a separate shooting
The guy probably has an IQ of 15. Which also correlates with the average IQ of people who are attracted to shooting guns at cars outside near a park. We can only walk as fast as society's slowest person..
I recommend watching part 1 and 2
It's pretty easy to buy a gun in this state. If he does get flagged by the system the black market is flooded with them. There's an epidemic in Nashville (and probably many other places) of guns being stolen from vehicles. Almost no arrests are ever made, and yet people still leave firearms in their cars.
no there are not. we have more guns than people, and americans literally have guns just lying around their houses. because we allow it. because 'merica.
so yeah, when we cut all our public mental healthcare in the 80s, and put all those crazy people back on the streets, yes they have access to weapons.
Just commenting on checks and balances, there generally aren't any. It's a constitutional right to have guns in the USA, so most laws that would enforce any kind of restrictions on ownership or access to firearms, are usually deemed unconstitutional and thrown out.
There are entire groups actively working to ensure everyone has fair and unrestricted access to guns, most notably the NRA. Those groups are unapologetic about what they do and they've been very successful in maintaining the status quo for gun access.
IMO as long as the right to bear arms stays enshrined in the US Constitution, this will not change.
I'm not an American and I'm very thankful for that because of things like this, however, my life is very affected by what happens there. As a result, I'm pretty well versed on their country. At times, I know the US laws better than my own countries laws.
Unfortunately it has recently changed …. For the worst.
Previously there were restrictions on carrying and ownership in many states. Those laws were deemed legal because they weren’t bans but limited restrictions . It was enough to make a difference and most such states gad had noticeably lower firearm violence. So we even proved within the US that such laws worked.
Then the Trump Supreme Court struck down most of them
"Stray Bullet" makes it sound like the bullet got off leash. This was a reckless and irresponsible use of firearms and we should start calling it that.
Irresponsible use of firearms in an irresponsible gun culture. Toxic combo.
They're even admitting they won't take the responsibility to attempt tracking it down!
Shhh, in the US they are very strongly against making sure gun owners are properly tested for how to operate guns and psychological state they are in. Rumors say it could lead to less shooting incidents but it obviously can't be true because. .. eh.. amendment yes amendment !
That's what happens when people can do private sales without any checks 👍 FREEDOM MOTHERFUCKER!
The cost of freedom i guess
Being found incompetent generally removes your right to have a gun. Why did he have a gun? Why wasn't it taken away?
If the laws we have aren't enforced, then passing more laws isn't going to help.
"Freedom"
There is so much that is unfortunate about this. First off, another person dead because of guns. Second, there is so much news and uproar because she was a young white woman. This is undeniable. Third, in looking for statistics on stray bullet incidences, I found that there is no official tracking in the US.
I found a study of 2008 stray bullet incidents, including deaths from combining news reports. In the year, they found 284 of 501 unique reports of different incidences that met criteria injuring 317 ppl (almost one a day). Of these, about 20% died, and most injured were at home, not aware of any gun violence. Suffice to say, each statistic is a person just like her, and their deaths are all needless tragedies brought on by gun culture.
Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/201323
Chris Rock had a great bit on this a long time ago. Bullet Control
One could argue "Shaquille Taylor" does as he arguably played a key role by pulling the trigger.
Bruh why you gotta be a bullet blamer like that. If the car hadn't been there non of this happens.
Child in Gunsville, Alabama, dressed as gun holding a gun at a local gun appreciation day parade gets shot in the gun by a group of gun-shooting friends called the "fun guns gun group" who's group motto is "let's gun for fun!". Now is not the time to discuss guns.
Well this is america, you have to expect stray bullets.
True, but the inaction on this issue is unacceptable.
A society where you have to expect stray bullets has a problem. When you have a problem, you take action to correct that problem. The US does not take any action to correct the problem. The problem continues.
This wasn't just a stray bullet. This was a madman who had terrorized people with guns in the past, and was set free because he isn't fit to stand trial, which somehow means he's fit to be free and have guns.
I don't give a fuck about the shooters backstory or why he's messed up in the head, he should never been allowed out in society of he's not fit, yet dangerous.
How sad. What a waste.
America moment
USA! USA! USA!
The only strays found in parks should be dogs. Not freaking bullets!!!! What the heck is a 'stray bullet' anyway, they move in straight lines and can only be set off by someone pulling a trigger.
we shouldn't be finding strays anywhere. please adopt dogs and bullets from your local shelter.
Tbf neither are actually "allowed" to be in parks.
I imagine some "stray bullet" injuries/deaths are caused by firing into the air causing an arc. Don't mean to "actually" you but it likely isn't always a shot fired horizontally.
I agree with you by the way. And gun control could start would rigorous training requirements (like checking backstops, education on safety) -- it wouldn't have to be "they're taking our guns!".
Guns don't kill stray bullets do...
Bullets don’t kill, kinetic energy does.
Get the glue out I guess.
Everyone together!
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(Unsurprisingly I see a bunch of blank comments from users I blocked in the past, can't wait to add more to the list!)
Edit: If you downvote me could you please comment just so I can make sure I block all the people who don't believe in reality?
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Where I live lots of less fortunate people rely on hunting for a source of meat through the winter, I think "illegal for most" is a stretch. Tighter controls, red flag laws and extensive background checks, absolutely. Flat out illegal to own? That's absolutely a deprivation of liberty for lots of people.
If that's enough reason to block me that's unfortunate.
Put all the money going towards gun related issues into social programs and these less fortunate people won't need guns either. I mentioned it in another discussion but if my uncle lived in a northern community of 200 where they sometimes had bears on their porch in the morning and didn't own a gun then you need a pretty fucking great justification to need one.
Heck, they could even have rental programs for the people you're talking about, but they would never agree to that, as if meat wasn't the reason they want a gun... As if being able to shoot people if they feel threatened is the real reason and it just so happens that they're able to hunt since they own a firearm anyway 🤷
I go to the same college as she did, I didn't know her as I'm two years above her. There is currently a makeshift memorial set up in memory of her where they held the vigil the day after she was shot. What was really surreal was driving around close to where she was shot was just seeing people walking around like nothing had happened, just continuing on with their lives. I felt this same way the day of the Covenant shooting, which was less than a year ago now. I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol (pls note I do not plan on this or that this is a call to action). I wish we didn't have to deal with this but the gun culture has become to ingrained that I wonder how many innocent lives we'll go through before it ends.
Like this ?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting
Still no change.
I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol
Believe it or not, DC actually does have pretty strict gun regulations. Still, it's not impossible to get guns into the city, but it's better than nothing.
This article has some bullshit in it. I don't doubt the reporting; I doubt the authorities. Per actual Federal law, a finding of being mentally incompetent to stand trial means the defendant is incarcerated indefinitely, not released. Why the hell was this guy on the streets?
I don't doubt what you're saying, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the article probably did some handwaving on the actual circumstances.
Yeah, that was my first reaction. Wtf is this "released because he was found incompetent to stand trial"?
Stray bullet also makes it sound like it was "aimed" and mjssed the target a little bit
They really need to do something about this. Bulletproof vests should be mandatory in public places.
I'm not sure how it is in the USA at large, but where I live, I can walk right into a store and buy a gun, but I have to get a special permit to own a bulletproof vest 🤦♂️
Wouldn't want to make it harder for the police to murder me I guess.
Also in the column "Events that don't happen in civilized countries":
Thoughts and effin' prayers man... 🤬
The cost of freedom i guess
Why was he on the streets? A judge dismissed those charges.
" In 2021, Taylor was charged with three counts of assault with a deadly weapon after he and another man were accused of shooting at a female driver while her two children were in the back seat. At least two rounds struck the vehicle. Earlier this year, a Nashville judge dismissed those charges, and Taylor was released after court-appointed doctors testified that he was incompetent to stand trial."
It was a state court that made that determination. Presumably the federal law applies to federal courts.
A black man named Shaquille Tyler was responsible https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/who-is-shaquille-taylor-the-man-charged-with-shooting-a-belmont-university-student
Yall care when it's a pretty blonde white woman but this happens every hour in Nashville
In Nashville there are mentally handicapped dudes who were just deemed incompetent to stand trial for almost the exact same thing, who shoot at random cars all the time?
Wow, small world.
Oh ok.. I guess it's on then...
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Truth. It can stop if we get rid of the gangsters in the ghettos with their illegal guns. We don’t need more cops, just higher rent and taxes to price you out of your dwellings and force you to leave since you refuse to get an education and find jobs.
"There is no way to prevent this" says only country where this happens regularly.
Also, "It's too soon after this tragedy to politicize it."
Whoawhaowhao you can't use political words yet. Everyone knows only once you have all "thoughts and prayers" lined up and fill 2.2 football fields, divided by 2 minus 15 eagles worth of words, can you then even mention politics.
At 8 football fields you can bring up 2A. But what would the world be like if we started changing "amendments". We'd have to make the word amendment a synonym of change or something, that would be crazy.
Since these things happen on a daily basis, it's always too soon. Funny how that works.
“If only she had a gun, this would have been prevented.”
Their answer is always 'more guns will solve this'.
Happens all the time in other nations.
Sure it does. In Yemen, Venezuela, El Salador, Serbia etc.. you mean?
Sorry, I meant developed nations
lol when was the last time a stray bullet randomly hit someone in any other developed country?
450+ million guns, you're not stopping gang violence like this which is the mass majority of all of our gun crime, by banning guns from lawful citizens. Dudes like this are already barred. Why don't you ask, why out system let him out.
Says man from only country where this happens regularly.
Plenty of other countries haven't banned guns from lawful citizens and dont have this problem.
This has been proven to be untrue by other countries who have done the same in the past.
I might buy this argument if other countries also had the same problem. But the fact is that stricter gun laws do work, and the U.S. is very unique in having this issue thanks to our insistence on the 2nd ammendment being infallible.
That's stupid. If it were illegal to carry guns around, far fewer crooks would carry guns. They'd be harder to get and they'd have to balance the risk of being caught with a gun.
You can also ask why there are so many guns freely floating around that someone like this was capable of obtaining one despite being barred.
How about we just get rid of "private sale" exceptions to background checks in states like Tennessee to slow the tide of guns flowing into the black market?
I'm so tired of this brain dead take. The amount of guns on the street and gang violence is directly related to how easy it is to aquire them.
Source?
The most recent stats I could find for gang-related deaths (gun or not) was 2012, when there were 2,363 reported out of a national total of 12,765 homicides.
Marx has the answer. Change material conditions, so there is less crime, thus less need for prisons. But no one wants to read.
You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s not a good look