Canadians divided on talk of sexual orientation in schools, poll suggests
In a new poll, nearly half of Canadians say they support the notwithstanding clause to ensure that schools tell parents if their child wishes to use a different name or pronoun.
I wish these polls would ask those same parents if they support outing children to abusive parents when doing so might endanger the child.
Because here's the thing; if you think you deserve to know what's going on with your child, that's fine. That's a healthy thing to want to know. And if your child thinks there's something you should know, they'll tell you.
But if they haven't told you, it's because you've never given them any reason to believe that it would be safe to tell you, and that is entirely on you.
@Voroxpete @sik0fewl Many probably would. Many “parental rights” people view their children as more akin to property than people.
Legally a parent is a custodian of a child which comes with rights and obligations along with a set of laws that regulate that relationship.
Do you have any children?
I think that's a great talking point, however I strongly doubt it's true.
I don't have kids so I've got no pony in this race, but I do have a dog. He's not property, I'm not his 'master', but he is 100% my responsibility, which is why I keep him on a leash whenever we leave the house. It's why I spend my time watching him when we're at a dog park instead of sitting on my phone like the other people there.
I wish these polls would ask those same parents if they support outing children to abusive parents when doing so might endanger the child.
They did, and they do: "Just under half said that [teachers should have to notify parents] even if a child tells their teacher they don’t feel safe informing their parents."
That doesn't imply there is danger. If the child tells you that they are not safe around their parents, you're not going to exactly take that lightly. It's not "Oh, hi Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Given that you are such wonderful, upstanding people, contrary to your child's claims, we'd like to inform you that your child, formally known as Fred, has decided to change their name to Sue." You're going to be rolling in with child protective services and the full force the law behind you to investigate.
Perhaps you are suggesting that child protection doesn't work, but if that's the case, that needs to be publicized more as most people are under the impression that these services provided by the government are effective.
My kid got a tongue piercing when he was 18, and put a lot of effort into making sure I wouldn't find out. It took 3 days. I told him it was a poor choice and to take care of it so he minimized his chances of bad outcomes. When I asked him why he didn't tell me right away, he said he didn't think I'd get angry or anything, he just didn't want me to disapprove.
Sometimes kids will take a while to let you know things for reasons other than fear of reprisal, but parents in that situation can usually accept that their kids will take time to be ready.
Religion has done more harm to children that anything that has existed on earth. That's what we shoul be protecting them from.
Canadians divided on talk of sexual orientation: bigots vs. non-bigots.
That pretty much identifies most divides on social issues.
Poll suggest that some Canadians are racist, bigoted, climate-denying, coal-rolling anti-vaxers but it's much easier just to call them 'conservatives.' Is there someway to put an import ban on US politics?
I hate labelling people like that. I wish we could would just call them racist, bigoted, climate-denying, coal-rolling antivaxxers.
ugh 15 years of social progress regressed...
This whole gender topic is merely a distraction from bigger issues that actually matter.
How we treat people and their human rights actually matter.
Let me rephrase that:
This is a manufactured issue to keep people from organizing and stopping the permanent destruction of the environment that sustains life on this planet. I doubt the people that manufactured it know that though, they only know that they're still making money from unabated and unsustainable resource extraction.
To be clear, our environment is collapsing right now, no one knows how long it will take to completely collapse though. This summer has been the hottest summer on record, almost exponentially so, and it's not going to stop until we stop it. There are already bodies of water that are becoming to hot to sustain life. If the oceans, lakes and rivers die, we die along with them because the plants and animals (phytoplankton) in all the water make the vast majority of the oxygen you're breathing right now. We have to stop fucking around and get the fuck to work and stop this or everyone dies. Maybe not in our lifetime, but as it stands now, it is definitely going to happen. Again, this is just another distraction to keep people from doing that so others can keep making money off of it.
*I of course think Premier MooMoo is way out of line on this, but it is in essence a made up issue to distract, to keep eyes away from his, or his governments ostensible industry friends. A person chooses their pronouns as a way of expressing who they are, respecting that decision is common sense; however, it's easy to make that an issue with today's hyper connected aged toddler.
That's easy to say when you aren't a sexual minority getting pushed around.
Yes, I would much rather be giving a shit about a zillion other issues. I would like to put this to bed and get onto other things. Unfortunately, conservatives just won't leave LGBTQ kids alone.
Yes, exactly. You won't do anything about the issues that are much more immediate because "they" have created these other issues for you. It certainly is important that people don't have their right trampled on just because of their sexual orientation though, and the funny thing is it seems to be the same group that are protecting those that are fucking everything up environmentally. I hope votes are enough to stop it all.
Here is the poll report:
https://leger360.com/surveys/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-in-canada/
Rather than blaming the ignorant about these issues. I think this report shows we need to do more work too support schools and raise the level of education on these important, and life saving curriculums and services.
My friend is trans she, grew up with hetero church going parents, teachers who talked about the hetero families and basically had no exposure to trans ideas til her 20s. I dont think knowing about something gives full on desire on top of that you can't transition until your 18 and a individual adult...
Call me suspicious of the validity of an online poll. Aside from the fact that it doesn't share it's collection location or methods, online polls are substantially more vulnerable to brigading, astroturfing, or any other form of manipulation.
Global News should be fucking ashamed of itself. Imagine calling this cash-in of ad revenue on this hot topic issue, "journalism".
The problem is the average person is not able to think past what they directly observe/experience. A single news article or meme on their Facebook feed is all that is needed to shape someone’s opinion on a topic forever.
A single article that already conforms to their existing biases is all that it takes. A lot of people already feel like they own their kids, and an article that reframes that as "some people want to rob you of your ownership rights" will seal the deal
AND it emboldens them to make the rounds being a repeater.