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German government to review aid for Palestinians following Hamas attack

www.reuters.com

The German government said on Sunday it was reviewing its hundreds of millions of euros of aid for Palestinians following the biggest attack on Israel in years by Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.

Development Minister Svenja Schulze said the government had always been careful to check that the money was only used for peaceful ends.

"But these attacks on Israel mark a terrible fracture," she said. "We will now review our entire engagement for the Palestinian territories."

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Doesn’t help that they murdered a German citizen at a peace festival and then paraded her naked body through the streets to be spit on.
- Got a source on this 6am "peace festival"?
  Edit: CNN reports it as "an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot" https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-fighting-hamas-attack-music-festival-intl-hnk/index.html
  
  Thanks for the correction, this way they surely all deserved to die!
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  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/260-dead-at-israel-peace-festival-hamas-attack/
  More than 260 bodies have been found at the site of a peace rave
  toke me about 10 seconds to find this.
  
  Oh so sorry for the slip up. Carry on then!
Israelis murder Palestinians, destroy their homes, attack schools and hospitals, shoot children, shoot doctors, bulldoze their refugee camps, etc etc, constantly, for decades and the world turns a blind eye.
Whenever there's an attack from the Palestinians the world loses it's shit.
Of course all deaths are bad but Israel are the oppressors here. Their actions are vile and now Netanyahu has said it's "war". If it's war now what the fuck was it before?
- No one is pearl clutching over dead soldiers, but when you machine gun down several hundred music festival attendees (incl. foreign nationals), rape the women, parade their naked defiled corpses around so others can spit on them, and upload the video to share with everyone, you're going to get some international condemnation and re-evaluation of support.
  
  Ironic since Israel has practiced "kneecapping" for years during protests. The reality of the situation is that both sides are shitty. But one of the sides gets a complete pass, while the other gets shat on and ignored.
- Buddy you summed up my sentiments exactly. It feels like the whole fucking world is suffering from some form of amnesia. What do they expect the Palestinians to do, just accept their own extermination?
  
  What do they expect the Palestinians to do, just accept their own extermination?
  I mean you can fight back against your oppressors without massacring civilians, many of whom aren't even Isrealis
  
  I am not sure I understand the logic behind fighting a war of extermination when the other side is stronger and can actually exterminate you
- That's because people don't pay attention. There have been several times over the last few years where I see a story of IDF leveling an apartment block or executing a group of people, it's always hand-waved as "they were terrorists, trust me Bro I'm looking at the evidence that I can't show you for security reasons"
  And the world turns.
  Days later one of the victims sorry TERRORISTS stabs an IDF soldier on the street? PROOF THAT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE TERRORISTS is the gist of every news outlet.
  When you move into your neighbors pool house, don't be surprised when they chase you around with a baseball bat.
  Yes, it IS unfortunate that civilians get caught in the crossfire. But when one side started by targeting civilians, it's not as simple as "these guys are terrorists and the people who fight them are inherently good" like a shitload of people are trying to make it out to be.
  
  it’s always hand-waved as “they were terrorists,
  We have no way of verifying facts and obviously there was no trial in those cases, yet they have been consistently in response to terrorist attacks.
  The whole area is a shitty complex mess with a long history of violence back and forth. Claiming there’s a simple solution is just naïveté, saying Israel doesn’t have a right to respond is just stupid. I have no idea if there is a way to fix it, but I know pressuring one side to not respond to terrorism is not it
  
  Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
  “Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday) Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
  To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
  The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.
  Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?
  This isn’t good-faith criticism.
  These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why
- It's colonizers versus natives round 1239382. The world collectives decided fuck the natives, let them fend for themselves.
- ...
Nobody ever "reviews aid" for Israel, no matter what crimes they commit.
- Then again, Israel didn't go into another country and behead people at the party.
  
  Yeah they just perpetuate a system of apartheid and kill innocent people all the time. Totally different and normal behaviour. Give them more weapons, boys!
  
  It's their country..
- Murdering each other for centuries? Are you even trying?
  
  Millenia?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BERLIN, Oct 8 (Reuters) - The German government said on Sunday it was reviewing its hundreds of millions of euros of aid for Palestinians following the biggest attack on Israel in years by Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.
Development Minister Svenja Schulze said the government had always been careful to check that the money was only used for peaceful ends.
Germany would discuss with Israel how development projects in the region could best be served, and coordinate with international partners, said the minister for German Chancellor Olaf Scholz's centre-left government.
Some German lawmakers, from the opposition conservatives in particular, called for an end to the aid.
"All of Europe, all 27 states, must now say: we need a new start and we will no longer finance terrorists," said Armin Laschet, chancellor candidate for the conservatives at the last federal election, calling for an end to EU cooperation with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who is based in the West Bank.
Gregor Gysi, a prominent member of the opposition Left party argued against such a move, saying Hamas, and not all Palestinians, were responsible for the attack.
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When two sides fight, it's the people who they represent that suffer. The people in power waging the wars never face any consequences for violence.
All Western governments need to evaluate “aid” to countries like Palestine. Billions are sent each year to countries like Afghanistan, and it’s immediately used to oppress, abuse, and murder women and minorities. We need to stop funding terrorists and pretending to be surprised when they use our funds to terrorise people.
- And to Israel as well. Cut them all off.
  
  Yes!
- There was hope people are less easy to abuse when they suffer less, and have some education.
  There's also a humanitarian argument to be made. After all, these are humans, not everyone's pawn.
  I agree it did not work as well. On the other side, we don't know how much worse it could have been without outside help.
  
  I hope we've conclusively proven that theory to be false. Throw this on top of the theory that, as nations industrialise, they naturally democratise and become more peaceful. China has categorically proven this false.

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