Canadian citizen dies while in U.S. ICE custody in Florida
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/46890078
cross-posted from: https://rss.ponder.cat/post/216477
ICE said the Canadian was found unresponsive Monday at the Federal Detention Center in Miami and was attended to by medical staff, but was pronounced dead the same day.
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Well, yeah but he probably just got here...
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ICE noted Noviello had been a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. since 1991, after entering the country through legal visa status in 1988. However, it also said he was facing removal for being convicted of drug charges “as a non-immigrant overstay.”
37 years ago
Yeah, at that point, he was more American than Canadian. The US government should have to explain either why he wasn't granted citizenship or else why he wasn't deported. Keeping people in citizenship limbo is just diet slavery, a disposable workforce. I get that's probably the whole point and has been for a while, but I also think it's good to call it out until enough people care to make a change.
The US government should have to explain either why he wasn’t granted citizenship
FYI, Citizenship is not automatic. I think the reason why Citizenship isn't automatic is because of the oath of allegiance. Its symbolic, but many countries take these procedures very seriously for some reason. I think it's that, from the PoV of Governments (not just the US Government), and I'm not saying that I agree with this view, but Governments think that "If you really wanted to stay, you would've applied for citizenship as early as possible". They (Governments around the world) want you to affirmatively choose to become a citizen, not just passively gain citizenship by waiting out a timer.
He should've applied for citizenship the moment the 5-year timer came up. Actualy its 4 years and 6 months and you could pre-emptively file and they'll immediately process it at the 5 year mark. Not filing for citizenship is a very bad idea, no matter which country you are in the world. He was in the US for so long, he should've applied. (But then again, even with Citizenship, its still not exactly safe either with the all the autocratization going on)
I think that there should be a law that make it so that once someone becomes eligible for citizenship, they should be in a sepatate category of permanent residents, a sort of protected status against deportation for like basically anything except for serious offenses like mass murders or like a Jan 6 Insurrection type of thing.
37 Canadian Years or US Years?
Ironically enough he was arrested in Florida which is far enough away there's likely a real difference over that long of time.
Like "real" as in there is a difference. Not that it is in anyway significant.
I googled and apparently in the ~14 billion years we think the universe has existed, the north pole has experienced about four more days of time than the equator.
So like 37 American years or 37.000000000000000000000001 Canadian years.
I'm assuming American.
Well, given the dwindling life expectancy of Americans, 37 Canadian years is probably somewhere over 40 American.
37 American years or ~50 Canadian plus HST
Again, the same passive voice. The word they should use is Killed.
That's archetypal passive voice since it doesn't change the target of the verb and uses state-of-being plus past participle.
"ICE kills Canadian citizen" switches this around.
Masked Gang Kidnap and kill Canadian citizen under Trump orders
would be a proper title
“At no time during detention is a detained illegal alien denied emergent care.”
I guess that doesn't go for legal residents, like this guy was.
Canada now gets to pick one of ours. Fair is fair.
Any one. Anyone at all. Just pick >_>
Are politicians on the menu?
That's a difficult choice. So many good candidates. But we're still nicer than that, for now.
Only one?
/joke
Anyone? Why let more innocent people suffer. Hand over those responsible.
anyone specific? I have a little list Of society offenders who might well be underground And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
wonder how next snowbird migration is going to play out
It's already not good this year. My dad owns a condo in Florida and said a lot of the Canadians sold their condos in his complex. They just didn't want to deal with the extra immigration paperwork this administration added.
My parents used to go down to Arizona. They sold their trailer back in 2018 (so just before Covid which was very lucky). They've done the odd trip down to the US (they sold because they wanted to go to different places) but plan to go out to Vancouver Island and other places more often now.
Family friends with a house in Palm Desert sold their place after Trump joked about Canada being the 51st state and plan to never go back down again. At least for as long as he is president.
Cool, we’re starting to murder our neighbors. How great for us. Super swell.
Starting? I need to remind you Mexicans are US neighbors too
True. I apologize.
Follow the money. I guarantee a private company was involved and they probably do some kind of business in Canada. Make sure they're completely booted from the Canadian market.
Make sure to sanction their employees and their employees families too.
I would say don't visit the USA, but he was a citizen. Crazy.
Not a citizen, but he should have been. If a legal resident has been in the US for ten years, the government should either have to grant them citizenship or explain why they don't qualify and deport them. This guy was selling drugs, yeah, but he was also probably paying taxes. That's the whole point of the system as it is, exploiting immigrants for illegal labor and then blaming them when they get caught. This guy should have gotten a trial, probably some prison time, and enough rehabilitation to reenter free society.
Ice kills foreign citizen
This is why, as a Canadian, I will not be going to the US any time soon.
Fascist regime kills foreign national. Fixed.
Canada, nows the time to reveal your secret robot army and take revenge. You have a secret robot army, right?
This is the last chance for the world-at-large to stop this. murica LLC is cooked.
Looks at all the previous lines in the sand, stretching far off into the distance
If Iran was holding a US citizen against their will and let them die in custody, we would drop a nuke on them.
I hope Canada takes the opportunity to punish us hard for this shit.
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/382098/US-citizen,-long-held-in-Iran,-now-believed-to-have-died-in-custody
Iran has not confirmed that they have him in detention and this was a spy. They literally caught a US spy. Do you know what we do to people we catch spying in the US?
This is quite literally not the same thing. The US has accidentally killed a Canadian tourist. If a part of Iran's government killed a US citizen we'd use that to launch War today.
I get it dude, but the US citizen in Iran was a CIA agent fucking with the country.
I dunno about a nuke. Maybe a stern glance in the direction of Iran. I know it's not quite the same since Saudi Arabia is our frienemy after 9/11, but this US administration's support is probably more based on skin color than anything.
Jamal Khashoggi
A tactical nuke on a certain house with white paint? You know the one 😏
It sorta depends on what kind of US citizen they are. As one example, US-Israeli citizens are precious innocents who must be protected at all costs, but US-Palestinian citizens are fine as collateral.
No way, we haven’t given much of a fuck about this sort of thing for decades now
Unless they are a Democrat