Ban flavoured vapes now, anti-smoking groups urge Carney’s government - National | Globalnews.ca
Ban flavoured vapes now, anti-smoking groups urge Carney’s government - National | Globalnews.ca
If they want to ban flavored vapes, they're not "anti-smoking" groups - they're anti-vaping groups and thus pro-smoking groups.
Huh.
I thought about going into all of that, but at this point in the US it's still mostly speculative, since they haven't gotten the bans in place yet, and these pretentios fucksticks would never believe it anyway.
I didn't know that it's actually happened in Australia. That's unfortunate, but it'll provide me with an example in the future.
It's a fairly standard corporate move though. The biggest corporations lobby for a bunch of restrictions and requirements on their own industry because they're in a position to meet them, but they'll serve as a barrier to entry for potential competition.
So it's possible - arguably even likely - that these self-righteous asshats crying about the evil tobacco companies are actially effectively (or even literally) working for those very companies.
Which is just another reason why I have nothing but scorn and disdain for them.
Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It's not a great argument, but it's not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren't necessary for the smoker to switch.
Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn't even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn't taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I'm alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They're fucking scum.
Why would vaping have to lead to smoking for nicotine addiction to be bad?
Going from smoking to vaping is a massive improvement. Basically zero downsides.
Starting a nicotine addiction is still detrimental to your health.
They're anti-tobacco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche
Unless you think they're hypocrites for enjoying bacon.
Yes, I think they're hypocrites.
More to the point though, I think they're toxic assholes - vile, loathsome, uncaring pieces of shit who hide behind an ill-fitting mask of health advocacy to feed their own pathetic and destructive need for self-affirmation through self-righteousness, and there isn't a boot in the world big enough to deliver the swift kick in the ass they so desperately need.
Why not ban both? There are nuanced approaches you could take that wouldn't immediately force every addict to quit cold turkey, or turn to the black market.
Banning is not and will never be part of a "nuanced approach" to anything. It's the approach preferred by shallow, self-righteous, authoritarian shitheads.
And there are likely a dozen things you did today that are more harmful than vaping. The only thing that makes them any different is that they're not things that have become focal points for shallow, self-righteous, authoritarian shitheads
Flavoured vapes (except menthol and smoke flavour) is illegal in Denmark, and guess what? Everyone and their mother vapes illegal vapes. The prices has actually somewhat gone down after the ban plus today I see kids vaping everywhere, didn’t do that as much five years ago.
I smoke flavored eliquid. I don't want you to choose what I can and can't do. I'm not a kid and I know the risks.
Come up with some actual improvements instead of pushing everything into the underground. Like actually start to punishing people that sell to kids. Smh
Lower home values would be a popular policy to focus on, instead of trying to moralize while innocent people suffer.
Eh, unhealthy habits do have a cost to society if you end up getting cancer and then we all have to pay for your treatment.
Although people who drink too much also don't get a new liver if they need it, so maybe people who smoke should just forfeit the right to cancer treatment.
Smokers and drinkers pay way more tax.
If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
They should only allow you to buy little bottles just like with edibles.
Grey market is king, I've seen a 3000mg edible. Sadly I didn't have a week off work so I couldn't buy it...
What counts as "flavored alcohol"?
I think everclear and vodka are basically the only two that aren't typically flavored with something
All of it. Don't fucking ban stuff for adults; monitor your children.
What, like you can't buy vodka and orange juice at the same time?
These things are not comparable. They do not function the same way.
I don't think this would apply to mixing.
I mean nobody is going to ban buying a pregnancy test at the same time as a clothes hanger.
I would imagine that anyone in favor of one is also likely in fvaor of the other.
You would imagine wrong because it's not about logical consistency with these people.
What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?
All the junk from burning plant matter kills you slowly. Nicotine in small amounts is horribly addictive; that is what keeps the smoking going. Or vaping. Or any other tobacco. I speak from decades of experience, I used them all, from 12 years old to 77. Quitting the nicotine was hell, and the vehicle did not matter.
So ban the damn nicotine and be done with it. Poo on all the people making money out of it, they are drug dealers.
At this point the political will just dies.
Nicotine is somewhat addictive. It's not that bad on its own. Quitting nicotine vapes was about as hard as quitting caffeine for me.
I believe in an adult's right to choose, and harm reduction. The government isn't here to tell us what's morally right and wrong, it's here to define our rights and privileges. It's fine to restrict where one can smoke or vape because that involves other people. I think it's a waste of government resources to try and tell people what they "ought" to be doing with their own bodies (because they will never succeed, and it's not their job.)
Harm reduction means preventing addiction. Flavored tobacco products have always been about getting people addicted early - because that's when it works. That's when this highly addictive drug creates dependency. Especially if taken in high doses with rapid absorption... which is downright pleasant, if it tastes like candy, instead of licking an ashtray.
What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?
In this case I saw the news article and I wanted to hear people's thoughts on it. I learned a lot from the comments, and appreciate you adding your perspective, thank you :)
Back to illigal unregulated products then. You know, the stuff that killed a handful of people a couple years ago...
Holy fuck I hate you nanny staters.
Ban flavored vapes, switch to cigarettes & cigars. 👍
The Government of Canada and Health Canada created this mess all on their own, and here's how it happened ...
On Jan 1, 2021 the feds enacted new vape laws based on Child Resistant packaging. The committee who recommended the restrictions had found a single instance from the early '00s of a US child who had died from consuming vape liquid. From that the committee decided that all vaping products (including juice, RTAs, RTDs, etc) had to be childproof. Now it's pretty easy to make vape juice containers childproof ... but not so easy to make tanks childproof.
Right along side of that are the disposable vapes who were making headway into the market. And ofc they are childproof (concerning the liquid anyway).
It didn't take long for the more expensive mods and tanks to disappear from the market, leaving only the cheap and easily accessable disposables ... which kids can afford and often have access to.
So instead of fixing the current laws the gov't has instead decided to add to them ... leading to restrictions on flavours.
It's interesting that cannabis oil vapes (side note i find these worse in almost every way to a dry herb vape and don't understand the popularity) almost always have disposable tanks attached towith reusable batteries in contrast to nicotine almost always fully disposable.
Boy, we're hitting the big issues here, guys
Go fuck yourself. Now. Fucking cunt cheese nanny state wastes of fucking skin.
Kindly find a porto potty, eat everything inside of it, and die in fucking agony. Please.
Deep breaths, in and out. And once you're calmed down, please consider why you want someone to die in agony over watermelon flavored vapor
Imo if vaping is just meant just for the nicotine fix then yeah ban all flavored Vapes and just leave the unflavored ones.
If it is supposed to be fun child enticing air candy then maybe you need to check your morals and invent a better product and we ban all nicotine from the market altogether.
I tried flavored vapes without nicotine once. I quickly lost interest.
Disposable vapes should be banned, single use batteries are a crime against nature
Ive seen a single use vape that has a touch screen on it and you can connect to your phone. What a colossal waste of resources.
I watched a video of Guy who collected a ton of them off the ground and built a USB power bank with them. They were rechargeable li on batteries. It is crazy.