‘American Betrayal!’ New Canadian PM Mark Carney Torches Trump in Victory Speech After Election Win
‘American Betrayal!’ New Canadian PM Mark Carney Torches Trump in Victory Speech After Election Win
We were headed down the conservative path, strange to think that the Trump regime saved our asses by being so insufferably horrible that the entire country woke up. Very grateful today that we have a functional adult behind the wheel during this difficult period
Still, over 40% of Canadians voters wanted pp. That number is too high. Also fuuuuuuuuck fptp
Super pissed off FPTP is still a thing. My riding was quite interesting this year. Polls showed a safe conservative win with NDP slightly behind and liberals at barely anything. What actually happened was a huge number of liberal votes compared to what was expected and less conservative and NDP votes as a result. The conservatives won with only ~38% of the vote vs the over 50% they were showing in the polls. I can almost garuntee that if we had ranked choice, either NDP or liberals would have won. It's very frustrating as I'm certain a lot of the left leaning voters were focusing on a national level and not a local one.
Most wanted change and not Peter rabbithair.
We need electoral reform in Canada.
Over 40% wanted some aspect of the vote. Local Candidate, party or leader or other aspects. His own riding didn't want him. Lol! :D
Others still just didn't like the other parties as options. Extreme fringe elements like the various flavours of white supremacists just clung to something that would embrace them under the big tent.
Liberals won by less than a million votes.
Does this map suggest that is going to happen again?
Some Americans avoided voting for Democrats because Israel.
Some Canadians avoided voting liberal because "we need change.".
It stops being politics when neo-fascists take over. Then it becomes survival. When your government wages war on YOU, the people.
Just ask the Americans.
I fucking hate "it's time for a change".
Liberals are a 3 day old deli sandwich. And when Canadians say they want change the Conservatives show up telling you they're warm, fresh, and all-natural. Somehow half the population fails to recognize its horse shit!
Our 2.1 party system is what needs to change, and we need to be increasingly vocal about how high a priority that needs to be.
Your conservatives didn't steal the vote. Ours did.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
We’re still heading towards a conservative path, although a more moderate one, with carney being center-right, and the conservatives holding almost half the seats.
Canada's saving grace is that we have more than two parties. Liberals can't rely on the conservatives being worst than them as much as the Democrats do with the Republicans.
I... I can't envision a world where conservatism doesn't beget more conservatism..
What a strange utopia you Canadians have
It is amazing to witness a nation learning from another nation's mistake. It's such a smart, sensible thing to do. Voters in Canada were able to identify a pattern, imagine the consequences happening to themselves, and make a decision to not do the same failed thing as the U.S.
That's gotta be a crucial distinction between Canada and the U.S.
Here in the U.S., people ignore and downplay patterns (especially if the patterns hurt their feelings.) When pressed to explain an identical set of patterns, we're more likely to blame whoever is experiencing the patterns for causing them than to critically analyze the cause and effect surrounding them. [Examples I've heard through my life: "Poor people suffer because they're drug addicts." "Women don't get paid as much as men do because women are worse workers than men." "Black people live in violent neighborhoods because they're inherently violent."]
Too many of us are entrenched in the propaganda-sphere; we are too arrogant, vocal, and either unwilling or unable to engage in critical thought against our zeitgeist. I imagine that if the situation were flipped and Canada had been the first to fall to fascism, the U.S. would still follow. After all, if another country messed up, it's because they did it wrong. But we're too special, too important, Too Big to Fail™, so we could do the exact same thing and be confident that [consequence] could never happen to us.
Lotsa shocked Pikachu faces going around these days...
Well that and Lil'PP not being able to distance himself from his "Trump-lite" image because that would have turned away a big chunk of his base.
America has given the planet one final gift. An example of what not to turn your country into. Australia is next, and their conservative moment is dying out as well.
Our conservative movement didn’t die out, they got more votes this time than the last few times and the popular vote was split down the middle.
We have more right wing media than centrist or neutral or left wing combined, and much of it is USA owned.
This all happened at the expense of the moderate left and the extreme right. If we don’t ditch our first past the post electoral system we risk Americanized politics.
This has many similarities to how the Canadian Federal election ended up. The conservatives actually grew by more than any other group, the Liberals just barely got a minority win. Their gain came at the sacrifice of our 3 other major parties (though almost always smaller than the other 2), turning Canada more into a 2 party running. Ranked choice is sorely needed to save our multi-party system, but the 2 big parties fear they'll both lose big of they implement that, and they're probably right...
yes but the maga flavour of conservatism got the leader of its party tossed twice over
i want to believe this so i hope that you some articles to back this up.
GOP knows trump is their last hold on power, so they do everything they can to grift as much and hold on as long as possible before they all retire.
Mexico and Canada politicians: "It's good to have a common enemy"
America: "We're the common enemy?"
Like when the Dimoks and Ripoblus finally united.
It's not a betrayal. Americans - particularly conservatives - have always held contempt for the Canadian government and its people. Trump said the quiet part out loud. But all those jokes about "America's Hat" and "51st State" were coming from people who genuinely do not see Canada as a sovereign territory or an independent constituency.
Hopefully, Canadians are waking up to the reality that huge swaths of America view them with the same contempt more explicitly aimed at Mexicans, Cubans, Haitians, Indians and other browner neighbors and migrant workers. We're an evil empire, and you collaborate with us at your own peril.
Sadly I doubt many are seeing this considering how many of my neighbours still voted for PP. I'm happy to see a Liberal minority, but disgusted by how much support the cons still have.
I've never experienced any negative opinions of Canada until the current administration. Instead, everyone I have encountered saw Canadians as remarkably similar to Americans (but much nicer) and held them in high regard.
I've been stunned by the change in some members of the population, especially church-goers.
I've heard us called snow ni**ers by Americans more than once. It's disgusting. They truly think they are exceptional.
So here's the thing: there are apparently Canadians in this post talking about how 40% of Canadians still voted for Polievre and what that means. Yet I'm seeing more generalizations about what Americans think about Canada than I've ever heard Americans actually say about Canada as an American. This is a great opportunity for those of us who agree with each other to band together and understand that Americans are not all the same just like Canadians aren't all the same. I'll be the first to say that there are far too many stupid, fucked up people in the US, but lumping us all together isn't helping us and it won't help you in the long-term either.
I'm so fucking thrilled for you guys and proud that you're not going down the same path my country is. But if you're just going to use it to shit on other people, it's kind of an opportunity lost.
I’ll be the first to say that there are far too many stupid, fucked up people in the US, but lumping us all together isn’t helping us and it won’t help you in the long-term either.
You don't need to be a hive mind in order to reach the same conclusions. I'll throw you back to the Iraq War as a comparison.
You had the neocon ice-chewing psychos in the Bush Admin who thought they were literally doing a Holy War against the evil radical islamic jihadists (nevermind that bombing Sunni Iraq over 9/11 makes about as much sense as bombing the Vatican over Ruby Ridge). Liberals very reasonably clicked their tongues at the foolishness and lambasted the Bush Admin for the waste and the fraud and the horrifying human rights abuses.
But then they... kept signing the fucking checks. They kept voting to keep the war going. When Obama got in there, they insisted they'd do the occupation "correctly". Except "correctly" just became "minimizing US military casualties as you focus on a policy of high tech terror-bombings of anyone suspects of being an insurgent". The anti-war protesters kept getting arrested and jailed. The whistle-blowers kept getting outed and prosecuted. The Pentagon's budget kept growing. The number of dead civilians kept rising. But with liberals in charge, we got a rainbow flag and a Woke Military veneer and lots of Op-Eds about how much freer and fairer and more gentle the liberal occupation was.
And we never left. We still had a massive military base built up around the US embassy. We weren't running official missions after 2014, but you still had the mercenaries operating with the support of the US global surveillance state behind them. And then Trump gets into office and blows up a Iranian diplomatic envoy on a Baghdad tarmac, nearly kicking off a new war.
That's US policy in a nutshell. Conservatives play offense. Liberals play defense. But they're ultimately all on Team America.
Canadians who believe they just need to bide their time until a more liberal replacement takes office are going to be sorely disappointed. Americans won't give up any ground they've taken unless its clawed out of their hands.
America is lead by Benedict Orange Turd.
Congratulations from Australia ~~initiative ~~ i really hope ths weekend we make the same choice
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1000% agree.
Good job Canada!!!
So you think the 40% is all made up of conservatism or could it be disillusion with what the parties are offering?
Is it really support of conservative? Even labelling it as support of far right when people are frustrated and choosing to protest vote can have a tone of condescension which can do more harm than good.
I am as annoyed as everyone else about the orange turdbag but ignoring root causes (in any country) is gonna eventually take a toll.
Considering almost all Canadian media is owned by the US and the desperate push for PP by propagandists, I think it turned out about as good as can be expected.
30% of the population are just terrible people who are easily swayed by lies and propaganda (the same as in other countries). The rest are just regular Conservative "I've got mine" shitheads.
The solution is to stop the propaganda, not appease the idiots or we'll end up like the US anyway. Canada already has the laws it just has to enforce them.
so what is it that they want? and why does it seem our resposibility to figure out and please these grown people who can't articulate their demands?
suddenly it seems that badgering lgbt and minorities is something we owe these people
For me it’s in the conversations I have. Making them calm discussions with others about their goals helping them come to conclusions about the consequence (more to those they love than themselves) and trying to bring them back down to their real wants rather than what the media has them riled up about. Most people have benefitted from progressive movements they just forget how much.
Nostalgia, and frustration at avenues to personally moving forward seem to be a hurdle for some people. I am older, I have benefitted for the world of tech and science. I really feel for our younger gens. They can’t afford to live, homes are out of reach, job security and respect is sliding. This puts relationships, families and self worth at risk. I can see how radical ideas take root.
Good job Canada voting sensibly!
P.S. Sorry from America.
I came here to also give kudos to Canada. Well said
Yeah, it's a shame how many people didn't vote.
Thanks for voting in Trump so we didn’t get Pierre Poilievre