Dems push AOC to primary Schumer, furious over his support of Republican spending bill: report

Fuck that...AOC and the rest of the progressives need to make their own party. The Ds are done.

As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable. The only REAL way to go forward is to take over the Democratic party and push it left. We'll see how it goes...
- The US has always had two parties, but it hasn't always had the same two parties. Creating a new party that's successful is entirely possible, if doing so completely destroys one of the existing parties in the process.
  For example, the Whig Party emerged after the Federalist Party collapsed, and the Republican Party emerged after the Whig Party collapsed.
  See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States
- While it will be a problem I think right now it is worse to stick under the Democrat label. Right now the Democrats are a fascist-lite party which has only served to drag down real progressive candidates and stab the common man in the back in favor of status quo or for needless compromise. The Democratic Party is so deeply rotten that abandoning it is just the better option.
  Edit: The Democratic Party is held up by its progressive wing, the progressives help maintain the party’s image of being left wing/centrist. Once the progressives leave the real nature of the party will cause it to collapse under its own failures.
  This will not be the first time we have had one of the major parties fall in this nation. Like the Federalists, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs before it, it is time for a dying party to disintegrate. It is time for a new party which actually has to give a shit is formed.
- As a left libertarian who has actually voted libertarian before, yeah, third parties are fucking cooked in this county.
- As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable.
  Democrats don't have to field candidates if they're so damned scared about splitting the vote. It's not like they're particularly interested in winning anyway.
- A third party is able to supplant and replace one of the two big parties even under FPTP.
MAGA took over the Republican Party for a reason if the progressives were able to organize their way out of a paper bag they could do it themselves.
- MAGA took over the Republican Party for a reason
  That reason is that the GOP allowed them to. In 2016 the GOP held an extremely competitive primary and actively embraced MAGA as their new path to success, while the DNC decided to make sure a progressive doesn't get the nomination again even at the cost of losing the election.
- if the progressives were able to organize their way out of a paper bag
  Well, join them.
they need to take over the party!
- If they take over the party, you have to shoulder the responsibility of everything the parties done in the past. It's easier to just start a new one, because I don't fucking feel like a democrat anymore. I'm tired of calling myself a democrat. Because democrats are spineless feckless fucking morons that spend tens of millions of dollars after they lose an election to find out why, and then do absolutely fucking nothing with that information.
  The sheer level of idiocy and hubris required to spend that kind of money to find out a way to fix a problem, and when you have that information do nothing with it is beyond anything the forefathers could have ever fucking dreamed of.
  We need to take responsibility, because we broke democracy. The two party system doesn't work anymore. I want out.
The only thing you need to remember is that political parties, by law, cannot restrict candidates from running under that party banner. Superdelegates are how the Democratic Party leadership attempts to skirt this and put its thumb on the scale, but after the Clinton-Sanders debacle, their power was diminished.
An ideological takeover of the party is possible. It just requires progressive candidates to get elected.
- Nah, fuck that IMO, even the name itself is beyond saving
  A new actually progressive party that brings about a new system is the ideal path forward at this point if the goal is to meet the needs of the people and actually give everyone a chance, that's my current opinion on the topic from my current perspective (saying this because things are changing quick so idk WTF is going to happen in reality)
- more like co-opted the gop, they still have thier funding sources. i suspect progressive wont get the same funding from donors the grand ole democrats would.
Justice Dems as a separate party, not just a caucus, all of whom refuse to take corporate bribe money, would be amazing.

I've never felt more defeated electorally than by the current crop of Democrats.

Losing to Hillary in the '16 primaries was rough, but it wasn't even close to enough to get me or almost anyone to drop out of politics. At least the 2020 ratfucking gave us the platform. Losing to Trump, now twice, also pretty rough.

But what Schumer and Jefferies are doing now, its more defeating than anything before. Its not just a weak resistance, or a paper or performative resistance: its anti-resistance. What Schumer and Jefferies have done, through their insescent weakness, will be long term more damaging to the party than anything that Kamala or Biden did or didn't do, in-spite of their own obvious and utter failings.

News flash: The Democrats are throwing the mid-terms. Now. Right fucking now and right in front of you. The blew the fucking election, and now they are putting in double time to blow the next one.

And you have 0 control or leverage to be able to stop them because they don't want you in their party. They don't want to share power with brown people. They don't want to share power with queer people. They don't want to share power with immigrants or atheists or scientists or anyone who isn't an ivy league, beltway insider. They will not be giving over the reigns to the party, no matter how pretty-please with sprinkles on top you ask them. They don't want to share power with the tent-poles of the big tent party. You are a consumable resource to them. They're going to throw you and the entire Democratic project under the bus to preserve their posture in a kabuki power game with themselves.

There is no path to salvation through the Democratic party. To quote Carlin: Its a BIG club, and you ain't in it.

There is no path to resistance through the Democratic party. The way things have been done in the past hasn't worked. You don't have decades to find your footing and figure out how to stop this.

You have days, weeks.

Fuck giving up or defeatism though. Lifetime Opposition just because of spite is the way for me.
- Seems more like a call for a Democratic version of the GOP's Tea Party than "giving up" or "defeatism".
  Call it the "Guillotine Party" for the applicable social precedent.
- I think their point isn't defeatism, but rather that the Democratic party is hopeless. If your plan is lifetime opposition, then do that opposition through an avenue other than the DNC.
- Uh...
  There is no path to salvation through the Democratic party.
  Doesn't sound like blue MAGA to me.
- I mean if you are going to make accusations, at least get the accusations right.
  Terminally online: ✅
  Blue MAGA: ❌

Sounds like a good plan to me. AOC needs to head the DNC.

Gillibrand was literally the AOC of yesteryear. You can push populist candidates to your party of capital until the cows come home, but special interests will swallow them up every single time for eternity. You need to think beyond the democrats and American electoralism in general for that matter.

AOC won surprisingly at her first foray into politics when she was up against an established monied opponent. If she primaries against Schumer, she might just be able pull it off again. Remember that even some MAGA appreciates her anti-oligarchy run, which in turn makes her look authentic for the masses. The look for authenticity in a politician is what many affluent people-- both liberals and conservatives alike-- do not understand of the Trump phenomenon, or even the popularity of Sanders, Walz and AOC.

I would like to vote for a Progressive party. Sanders and friends for every ballot.

Shuck Chewmer

Schumer's current term ends in 2029 so this is just more performative nonsense.

Not necessarily. Sinema did her bullshit impression of McCain at the very beginning of her term. She was toast from that moment on, AZ dems froze her out and started working to replace her from that moment on.
That's still 4 years away. Next year or even 2 years? Performative. But a whole 4 years is a good chunk of time to maybe put a spine back into Dem leadership.
- Sounds like she should start campaigning now. It's not like Schumer's gonna grow a spine between now and then, so AOC will just acquire more to run against.

We need this, the GOP must be destroyed by a strong Democratic party that doesn't have the work ethic of a Uvalde cop.

Drop the word "Democratic" from that sentence and you're correct.
- Third parties aren't viable
- Third parties are not viable in the US Two Party System, it's Dems or bust

I'm pretty sure anything the NYPost has uncovered about Democrats will also be published in a less terrible paper.

Wonder why you'll dismiss it then too.
- Lol, wut? There are like three other breaking news topics on this and the NY Post doesn't have any special access with Democrats. They're reporting on other reporting. Why post hack conservative papers for news about Democrats?

Hmm yes, any one with any pro-Russian belief has to be a Putin troll farm slave.
Nonsense.
- Start wearing purple for me nowww
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AOC should keep her house seat, but they need to push someone in the senate to replace him, preferabally a vetted out one that is not a dino. DEMS need to start vetting out DINOs, or Gop that switch to D just tog et elected.

No, she has become a powerful voice, and she needs to be in the Senate. It's long past time for that spineless weenie Schumer to GTFO. I've never forgiven him for the way he stabbed Al Franken in the back. His cowardice is a major reason that MAGA has grown so strong. If he wont go on his own, she should throw him out in the embarrassing and humiliating fashion that he has earned.

Could you lot not just make her president (if you're lucky enough to have another election)? I mean if a whole bunch of people registered as democrats for the sole purpose of making her the official candidate?

That's not how it works here. We the people don't really choose who runs, we just have the privilege of backing a preselected candidate that will continue to do the bidding of lobbyists or have the opposition who is also being supported by lobbyists but also Russia and they also eat babies. It's a joke and has been for forever and people are just now catching on now that it's too late.
- I assumed that party members voted on who they put forward as their candidate.

Doomed to fail and everyone will again throw up their hands and shrug as they let republicans take down their entire country.

- Yes lol me as a Canadian and my apparent responsibility to save you and your American friends from yourselves since y’all can’t even be assed to fight to defend your yourselves.

.ml right again.

I would have been more excited about this if she hadn't carried water for Biden and Harris allowing a genocide at the Harris convention.

There was a genocide at the Harris convention?!

AOC can cry all she wants... she still gets paid if the government shuts down.

Get fetterman's talking points out now while you can. If this bill goes through (which it likely will thanks to Chuck) even more jobs will be cut permanently instead of a temporary loss of pay.