Unity to introduce runtime fee based on installs
Unity to introduce runtime fee based on installs
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Unity plan pricing and packaging updates | Unity Blog
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I was just starting to learn Unity for a game I’ve been wanting to make for years. I don’t how I feel continuing with it knowing that at anytime they can pull shit like this.
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Try Godot. It's not exactly the same, but similar enough to let you switch relatively quickly.
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IMPORTANT EDIT: I have learned that Unity is going to charge for games already released now. This is a scummy move. I have still not found info on whether devs will be back-charged, like suddenly a huge bill will show up for games which already have a million downloads and a lot of revenue. I was previously in tentative favor of this change only so long as:
- it would apply to newly-released games after the change (no longer valid)
- the first 200,000 installs would not be back-charged even after the change over (still unknown to me)
Scummy move, Unity.
ORIGINAL POST:
I'm seeing a couple pieces of misinformation in here so I just wanted to clarify:
- This applies to the free Unity and Unity Plus - the enterprise version has different thresholds.
- The fee will apply to games that have made $200,000 USD or more in the last 12 months AND have at least 200,000 per-game lifetime installs.
- Even then, the costs are different depending on which country you are in - "emerging market" is only $0.02 vs $0.20 for other countries.
Essentially it looks to me like you have to have made a significant amount of money already to be charged these fees - someone releasing a free game that goes viral won't be charged. One thing I haven't found is whether those first 200,000 installs will or won't be back-charged. If the initial installs aren't back-charged then I would consider this very reasonable, frankly, and cheaper than Unreal provided the game you release costs more than $4.00 (since Unreal takes a flat 5% of revenue I believe).
Unity does need to make money to be able to keep developing their engine, and right now as far as I understand it they aren't making money.
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Genuine question, are they not making money, or are they not making more money than they did last year? I just tend to hear that companies aren't making money when all they really mean is that profits aren't growing, but they're still making a big profit.
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$0.20 per install when you're over the threshold.... Yikes
For a game engine that does all the hard work? Why is this unreasonable. Have you any idea how much work goes into Unity?
Unity already has a business model, it's licensed to the developers. That's how they have operated for years. This change is retroactive and frankly dangerous.
It's retroactive and it's not based on sales, it's based on installs. So for example, I purchase a game on steam and I own a PC, a steam deck, and I have a kid with a PC. That's 3x the fees for one sale even though I can only play it on one device at a time. Maybe I get bored of the game and uninstall it. A year later I want to play it again, there's a new fee for the same sale and PC that unity gets.
Yes, unity costs money to develop and a fee is reasonable. But I think the are a few risks with this model.
How do they track installations? Metrics from steam and other platforms? Connecting to a license server at install time? Or maybe at runtime? I don't know the answers but they all seem to have implications for users regarding privacy and/or offline gaming.
It's also a variable fee to game developers. A single user can install a game on multiple devices despite buying the game once. Similarly, a game can be installed repeatedly over time. This is a financial risk to game development companies. I could see them mitigating this risk in several ways. First, they can pass the fee to the end user. So every install costs the user $0.20. Secondly, they can limit the number of installs per user. You want to install more than 5 times ever? Buy the game again! Thirdly, they could simply shut down the download service after a certain amount of time, making new installations impossible. None of this is good for a gamers.
And what happens to games made by companies that shut down entirely? Today, games remain available through steam, etc. But with this new pricing model, Unity based games will continue to cost money over time. Who pays the bill after the company is gone? This reminds me of Worlds Adrift, a game that used a licensed library. When the developer company shutdown, they were unable to release their server source code because the third party couldn't can't send bills to the open source community. Thus, the servers were destroyed and running the client today (still vailable via steam!) just gives the user an error message about license issues or something. Users paid for a game that they are now unable to use.
Tell me you're not a developer without saying you're not a developer.
No. Please, enlighten me.
A lot less work now that they've fired so many people and more are going to leave from forced RTO policy.
Them freeloading developers stealing the hard work of Unity.
It deals with the problems that all games face and that have well established solutions.