Jay-Z accused in a civil lawsuit of raping a 13-year-old girl in 2000 along with Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs

He now has 100 problems

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I'm glad that "rape" is in the headline. Too many try to sugar coat. "Sex with an underage...." etc.

We're only getting that because the accused are black.
- No its because it's a he, it's usually "sex with a minor/student" if it's a woman perpetrator and rape if it's a man
- Ohh yes a poor black man is suffering from systemic racist

How is this not a criminal charge...

I feel like going civil route is diluting the gravity of what actually went down.

Where did they find 13 year old to rape?

Where are fucking parents of these children?

Between CEO getting executed and another elite child rapist... Who fucking rules us?

Who fucking rules us?
Sociopaths mostly I'd say.
There's a great Tom Waits song called God's away on business with some pertinent lyrics:
who are the ones we left in charge? Killers, thieves and lawyers
Great song btw.
- That's from Waits' stage adaptation of the famous German unfinished manuscript Woyzeck (Voy-chek), it was a song from act 1 setting the scene in which a working class man would be toyed with and experimented on by high society and the army, driven to madness and killing his wife and himself.
I don’t know details of this, but when the lawyer had a press conference announcing info the first 100 lawsuits, he mentioned that a lot of the crimes were reported to authorities at the time, but for whatever reason, the crimes weren’t pursued.
- Oh I can tell you why.
  Cops don't give a shit.
If you read the article, the alleged victim says she went to the VMAs without a ticket and started asking limo drivers if she could get into an afterparty. Diddy’s driver said she looked like what Diddy wanted.
The allegations are that she was hanging out by the stage door after a show. Maybe she wanted an autograph or to meet her idol? But even if she specifically sought out these men because she wanted to have sex with them, and even if her parents were wildly irresponsible, there is no excuse for drugging and raping a child.
Jay agrees:
"These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one!! Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away, would you not agree?" Carter said in a statement to NBC News. "These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case."
- Yeah becuase he knows it can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt now and the has money to fight it.
  They did get a conviction v Weinstein though.
Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It's very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that's not going to happen.
- And that's why crimes should be reported when they happen so proper evidence is collected.
  I deff think Jay z did due to Diddy affiliation but this is he said, she said now.
You forgot another question: why nobody said shit in the past 24 years?
- Many rape victims don't come forward until others do, if at all.
  Going up against a couple of billionaire child-rapists isn't likely to get you anything other than slut-shamed at best. These are powerful people who can have you disappeared.
Because a criminal trial is an all-or-nothing charge, and if you fail to convince 1 juror, Jay-Z gets zero punishment for raping a 13 year old. Your odds of winning a civil trial over rape is much higher, and even if the defendant puts up a good case, you won't walk away empty handed.
- You can do both a criminal and a civil charge. Failing to convict on a criminal charge doesn't mean a civil case will go the same way. See OJ for example.
The statute of limitations is likely over
- In thought that child abuse is exempt from it
diluting the gravity
In fairness he did say it was “fake physics”

I didn't expect Jay-Z to get roped into this. But he's a big time musician and they seem to have felt like they can get away with raping teenage groupies for many decades now.

Makes me wonder how BIG would fit into all of this if he was still alive. I'm thinking it wouldn't be good for him either.
- I'm sorry... are you saying it's not their fault that they raped teenagers because it didn't occur to them to ask them their age?
  Despite a history of music stars raping teenagers going back to at least Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis in the 1950s?
  What absolute nonsense.
- I think the difference between a 13 year old and an 18 year old is generally pretty obvious and if you can't tell then don't even risk it.
- Lol this is the hill you're going to die on? You can put any 13 year old in front of me and I'll immediately know it's a child, you know, because they are children.
  This is not a good look.
- Ew. You're gross 🤢

Never meet your idols.
I seriously stopped being a fan of any public figure because people seeking public attention are mostly off-putting at least. Then come the narcissists and psychopaths, it gets only worse.

Never meet your idols
Especially if you're a teenage girl
- And yet parents allow their children attend these concerts... Then pika face when their children get raped or worst ignore it.
if Jay-z is your idol then you really have bigger problems lol
- At least 99 of them
Or don't idolize idiots. Popstars and corporations washed the market so much that they are now accepted by the public as smart or cool. Not so many years ago everyone considered them trashy.
- Don't idolize any one person. Idolize ideas and actions, people are too easily corrupted.
- I never understood adults larping some fucking clown on tv and internet but here we are adult men defending some rapper clown
If your idol turns out to be a jerk in real life, is that their fault, or does it mean you’re just a bad judge of character? And I mean generally - not you in particular.
Personally, I’d be more than happy to meet my idols. I’ve listened to them speak for hundreds, and in some cases thousands, of hours on podcasts. Nobody can hide their true personality for that long. I’m confident I already have a pretty good idea of what they’re like in real life. That’s also why it’s so funny when non-listeners try to convince me that they know these people better than I do.
- Ignoring that it is possible for people to hide who they are (editing is a thing): I don't think idolizing podcasters is the flex you think it is.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Why the fuck is everyone in the comments jumping to conclusions and already slamming Jay? Everything is alleged and the accuser is anonymous. Let there be a ruling by the judge then we can make conclusions no?

He is a public figure who chose to associate himself with a sex pest...
Cope
- Has it occurred to you that child molesters might not be explicitly informing everyone they know about their crimes?
  I had a classmate in high school who got caught in a pedo sting operation. He himself was more of an acquaintance, but we had a mutual friend I was very close to, and we all hung out together on many occasions over the years.
  Should we both be getting accused too because we were friends with that guy? Fuck off with that nonsense, how the fuck were we supposed to know?
From the entertainer 50 cent.
"Jay in hibernation he ain’t coming outside till this shit with puff blow over, no brunch, no lunch, No dinner. LOL 😆"
Please let's stop pretending when you hang out with pedophiles on the regular that it is just happenstance.
I am sure Jay slept with less underage girls than others during Diddy parties. In fact, I heard he hardly did it more than anyone else. I would say he slept with children the least out of all the other pedophiles.
I'm not gonna slam, but it's disappointing to hear anyway. I never idolized him, but still thought he was a good dude.
- "Good dude"
  Billionaire
  Pick one.
- How can you be disappointed when you don't even know if it's true?
  I can actually explain why. Refraining from judgment causes the human brain to experience cognitive strain, so people tend to settle on a judgment even without evidence, in order to reduce the emotional stress caused by being undecided between two extreme possibilities. We feel insecure when we haven’t yet made a decision, because we are exposed to attacks from both sides. By aligning ourselves with one side, we gain allies and also gain the ability to disregard the humanity of our enemies. This is a universal weakness to human rationality, and lawyers are experts at exploiting it.
- And what stops him from still being a good dude? It's like you're having trouble wrapping your head around this being simply an accusation. You're basically saying everyone who associated themselves with Diddy is a bad person without knowing the depths of their relationship.
Replace Jay-Z with Trump and tell me if you feel the same.
You hang out with pedos, you get painted with the same brush.
Because he's a multi-Billionaire, and there is no ethical way of making a billion dollars, let alone multiple.
You know that clip from Office Space where the neighbor is asked what he would do with a million dollars and the answer is "two chicks at the same time"? What happens if you have 1000x that much money?
- What happens if you have 1000x that much money?
  4 chicks at the same time

Between this and Scientology, Millennials are going to have a tough time with Collision Course

You really should not think that well-known people ending up being terrible is a generational thing :/
- I just said it would be hard to listen to the album

That's the sort of posts about billionares you want to have on the frontpage

BOOK EM

I've completely switched to vocaloid artists. I'm tired of feeding these undeserving humans careers, I'm throwing my money at music made by artists that are sung by a fictional character who won't ever be on trial for fucking a kid.

Emotions aside, this seems like abuse of the legal system.

First, the lawsuit itself could be filed with little supporting evidence. Second, the burden of proof in a civil lawsuit is significantly less than a criminal one.

I don't care for Jay Z, I don't listen to his music and he's got too much money, but this is borderline defamation in regards to the damage it will cause.

Trump's rape of E. Jean Carroll was uncovered in a civil suit.
O.J. Simpson's only punishment was via a civil suit.
Alex Jones got fined over a billion dollars for harassing the parents of dead children in a civil suit.
It's not abuse of the legal system, it's fighting abuse of the legal system. Trump, Simpson, Jones, Jay-Z... they can all buy themselves out of a criminal trial. A civil suit is a hell of a lot harder to get out of.
And I hate to tell you this if this wasn't your intention, but this is some real "women are lying gold diggers" territory.
- And I hate to tell you this if this wasn’t your intention, but this is some real “women are lying gold diggers” territory.
  Fuck off dude. The comment you replied to didn't say anything whatsoever about women. You're the only one being sexist here.
  Filing a civil lawsuit 25 years later alleging a crime of this magnitude is extremely suspicious. Occam's razor dictates that it's very likely to be a cash grab.
  Y'all are so incredibly biased, predictable and easily manipulated it's embarrassing. If it makes someone rich and powerful look bad, Lemmings will literally eat the steamiest piles of shit and call it a wholesome meal. And that's why the plaintiff knows they can possibly get a settlement out of this, because most people are absolute sheep and believe whatever gets shoved under their noses without a second thought, and Jay Z can afford to just pay to make it go away if he doesn't want to deal with the harassment from the "Guilty until proven innocent" mob.