8mo ago

US vetoes another UN Security Council resolution seeking Gaza ceasefire

www.middleeasteye.net

The measure received 14 votes in favour, with the US the sole member to reject it. However, because the US is a permanent member of the council, it has the ability to veto any resolution brought forward

Unlike several previous resolutions regarding a ceasefire in Gaza, Wednesday's measure was brought forward by all 10 elected members of the Security Council.

The US has vetoed four previous attempts at calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, on most occasions being the lone vote against the measures.

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Bruh
Lame duck presidency and can't even do the right thing
Ducks aren't even this lame
- Shows he and the Democratic leaders never intended to end the genicide. Just another sign the democrats no longer support anyone but the oligarchy. Yes the Republicans are worse by alot but people that are anti genicide, anti oligarchy, anti fascism, anti authoritarianism, etc don't have a party to vote for. Only the level of oppression they will see in the next 4 years.
- The right thing is to enact a ceasefire in exchange for the immediate release of all Isreali hostages.
  The US was right to veto this unenforceable, performative UN bullshit on the grounds that it didn't call for the immediate release of the hostages.
  
  It's a fucking genocide. Stop the killing sort the hostages after.
  
  I hate to break it to you but any hostages are most likely dead. Probably killed by the IDF themselves. The people of Gaza are also starving to death. You think POW's are getting first dibs? They won't agree to release them because there aren't any alive.
  I could be wrong but there's my 2 cents.
  
  The second paragraph reads:
  The draft resolution was aimed at calling for an "immediate, unconditional, and permanent ceasefire" in Gaza and the release of all hostages held by Palestinian groups in the enclave.
What absolute pieces of shit. Can't even bother to do the right thing when it doesn't even matter anymore.
- Why is it wrong to call for the immediate release of the Israeli hostages in Gaza in exchange for a ceasefire? How does the prolonged suffering of the hostages and their families help the people of Gaza in any way? Is a unilateral ceasefire that doesn't guarantee the immediate return of the hostages "doing the right thing" to you?
  Not that it never mattered anyway. The UN doesn't control whether a ceasefire happens or not, only the Israelis and Palestinians can decide when to lay down their weapons and release the hostages--and that should have happened a fucking year ago.
  
  Stop putting words in other people's mouths.
  The ceasefire is about widescale collective punishment of a population that is half children resulting in famine and genocide. My point is the Biden administration could do the right thing for once instead of enabling it until the bitter end.
  
  Braindead take right here. The US has blocked UN peacekeeping forces from curtailing Israeli war crimes since this conflict began.
Anyone who can't see America's true colours by now is simply refusing to look
Wtf is wrong with these people. I only voted for them bcz the alternative is a fascist piece of shit. I fucking hate this country.
- Is it so wrong to demand the immediate release of Israeli hostages in Gaza in exchange for an immediate ceasefire?
  That seems like a reasonable agreement to me. The innocent people of Gaza have derived absolutely no benefit from having Israeli civilians being taken captive, maimed, raped and tortured for over 13 months. Release the damn hostages and end the bloodshed.
And so every third party voter is vindicated.
Why are they even allowed to vote over their own war? Oh I meant Israel's. My bad.
I'm not a US citizen, but I can understand why some people didn't wanna vote this time.
Even though Trump might be worse than Biden when it comes to this conflict, how can anyone vote for Kamala knowing that the death of more innocents will be on their conscience?
- it's like the trolley problem. would you rather have more people die or a smaller but still sizable amount of people die? unfortunately in America there are only 2 viable candidates.
So that "Ceasefire" talk under Harris was bullshit eh?
- No way to know, she never will be president, nor have had say in any of it.
  
  She is literally vice president, and also had Q&As with the population saying she is in full support of Israel.
Is there any future where the Security Council is abolished?
Like, where everyone gets tired of this shit from the U.S, Russia, and China, and Europe uses their weight to end it?
- The thing about the UN generally, and the Security Council in particular, that people don't understand it that its principal isn't to end war globally, but to end global war.
  The Permanent 5 members of the security Council and their veto power are a huge part of why it's been sucessful. The veto prevents the UN from engaging in military actions against the interests of a nation that can withstand an extended military conflict with the rest of the world.
  And it has worked remarkably well so far. While military conflict and imperialism are still around, the scale of conflicts have significantly decreased. The superpowers no longer engage in direct military conflicts that kill 50 million people, and when one gets uppity the rest of the world.engages in economic and diplomatic isolation instead of war.
  
  The UN has had nothing to do with contributing to the trend you have described. As unpleasant as it is, that is almost entirely a result of nuclear deterrence.
Seriously, you guys need to enforce initiative & referendum rights somehow.
This is so odd, I was told only Trump was bad for Palestine, and that he would give Israel a free pass to do whatever it wants.
- Nobody has said only Trump would be bad.
  The second part is true though.
  
  No more true than the free pass the Dems are giving Israel already. Nothing changes for Palestinians when the Dems are just as complacent and enabling as shown here and many times previously.
- Nobody ever told you that "only" Trump was bad for Palestine.
  If you need to lie to promote your viewpoint, then your viewpoint is shit.
- No one ever told you that, so don't worry yourself over it.
- Nobody said that. But now we get Israel with more of a free pass (yes, it can get worse) and "Dr. Oz" running Medicare.
  Awesome right? Hope Democrats learned a lesson at least! Or something...
  
  It does not get worse, a free pass is a free pass.
  Hopefully Democrats learn a lesson, but they seem incapable of that and would rather blame minorities for their loss rather than their policies.
  
  Didn't you hear? Gaza is SAVED now! YAY! 🤡
- As somebody actually living in "Israel" what the hell are you talking about? Bibi and other far right politicians want to occupy Palestine and genocide every Palestinian. I wonder what would happen if the "good" Israeli soldiers stopped massacring civilians or if Bibi offered the Palestinian people anything other then oppression.
  
  The Palestinian resistance will never stop until they get all the land
  
  So, if you're living in "Israel" aren't you actively part of the "genocide" that you're describing?
  The Palestinians are just as responsible for putting shitheads like Sinwar in power as the Israelis are responsible for putting shitheads like Netanyahu in power. Both groups of people have empowered the genocidal extremist warmongers at every opportunity, and y'all want to blame American politicians for the sad state of the nations that were handed to you on a silver platter by the League of Nations after the fall of the Ottoman Empire?
  As someone actually living in "The United States of America", I'm sick and tired of my democracy and tax dollars being held hostage because of your problems, and I ain't the only one.
- No.
  This isn't about Hamas or the hostages - it's about the Israeli hard right's desire to utterly destroy the Palestinians and rule over all the land from the river to the sea, and Netanyahu's need to maintain enough support to stay in office and out of prison.
  
  You say that as if the Palestinians don't have an equal desire to utterly destroy the Israelis and rule over all of the land from the river to the sea.
  If I remember correctly it was the pro-Palestinian groups all over the world who were chanting "Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea", was it not?
  At any rate, this is 100% about the hostages, as the US's reason for voting against this gesture was because it did nothing to call for the immediate release of all Israeli hostages in the Gaza Strip. Why is it wrong to demand that the hostages be freed?
  
  the terrorists should definitely hold onto the israeli hostages then, since as we've seen, that's working out so great for the people of gaza they say they're fighting for, every single day it's working out great. the israeli government is fine with this. great plan.
- Bold of you to assume that it would stop if Hamas and Hezbollah ceased to exist.
  
  Bold of you to assume that Hamas and Hazbollah would stop attacking if a ceasefire were agreed to. (See every previous ceasefire over the last 60 years.)
- As long as Israel is occupying Palestine they will never be completely be safe.
The United States on Wednesday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution demanding an immediate cease-fire in the war in Gaza because it was not linked to an immediate release of hostages taken captive by Hamas militants in Israel in October 2023. [Source: https://apnews.com/article/un-gaza-resolution-veto-hamas-israel-hostages-b5281432fc2acdc1860adb3015392c0b]
Despite the knee-jerk reaction from uninformed people here, they were absolutely right to veto it.
Any ceasefire deal should obviously demand the immediate release of every remaining Israeli hostage.
There is simply no justification for the withholding of these hostages who have been tortured and raped in Palestinian captivity for >13 months. The civilians of Gaza do NOT benefit from the continued torture of Israeli civilian hostages, so what is the rationale for not calling for their immediate release? Release the damn hostages, and only then can we have a meaningful path towards a ceasefire.
- The resolution that was put to a vote “demands an immediate, unconditional and permanent cease-fire to be respected by all parties, and further reiterates its demand for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages.”
  The release of all the hostages has always been a part of the ceasefire negotiations, that has never changed. Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
  https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-23/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-declaration-to-form-a-future-government-as-war-rages-in-gaza
  We've had mixed reports of treatment of Israeli hostages by Hamas (1, 2, 3) We know of at least one instance of sexual assault and rape, multiple accounts of abuse, how widespread it is we won't know until all the hostages are released, which Israel has been preventing.
  Israel does torture, rape, and kill Palestinians (including children), and has been for decades.
  
  This isnt about the hostages to the Israeli Government, this is Israel engaging in Genocide to eradicate and forcibly displace the Palestinian people. Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967. Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, and has been the one preventing a ceasefire.
- Netenyahu refused the release of all hostages multiple times
- The OP did a quality reply already where he cites the article you've linked to debunk your own claims. But you could also have done with reading the OP's article until the second paragraph.
  The draft resolution was aimed at calling for an “immediate, unconditional, and permanent ceasefire” in Gaza and the release of all hostages held by Palestinian groups in the enclave.
  At this point unquestionably spouting the official lies of the U.S. or Israeli governments is spouting genocidal propaganda and can only be seen as either hopelessly ignorant or bad faith.

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