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  • Remember, the only way to deport millions of people in a timely manner is concentration camps.

    And they have to stay in those camps until extradition treaties are finalized. If the country refuses to accept that immigrant back? They're going to stay in that camp indefinitely. And if Trump crashes the economy, as is predicted, those camps will start getting expensive.

    Maybe the Trump administration will start looking into the Final Solution to the Immigration Problem.

    • Part of me thinks that this proposal will end up the same as his "Wall" that Mexico was going to pay for. Either incompetence or apathy will make this part of his proposal quietly go away. There will be some token deportations of illegals that were going to be deported anyways, but they'll make a bigger deal about it, then it'll just sort of slink away and somehow not be as big of a problem as it was made out to be for the past year or so.

      Or we go full-scale with the concentration camps. It's kind of a toss-up at this point. The only thing working in our favor is Trump's general incompetence and chaotic headspace, he's his own biggest enemy sometimes.

      • This is where I think it will end up. I am optimistic that there will be no camps, because Congress will refuse to fund them. There will be increased deportations though, and not just of illegals. Anyone who is not a citizen but here legally needs to rethink why they are here, immediately. Blue states may throw roadblocks up, but Red states will gladly give them the boot.

        There is a narrow way this can backfire, though. Let's say I am right, and deportations and reverse migrations happen, but mainly in the red states. Blue states welcome the legal immigrants in, smuggle the illegals and DREAMers in a new Underground Railroad, and rebuff the Feds when they come for them, tieing up in the courts. Then, the Democrats figure it out and put up a candidate who can win against the MAGA candidate in 2028.

        Guess what? That means that Democratic President runs the census, which is supposed (by the Constitution) to enumerate all persons residing in the US as of April 1, 2030, without regard to citizenship and immigration status. Republicans want to put a Citizenship question on that census, with the goal of eventually disqualifying non-citizens. But if that question is not there, and the full enumeration happens, those Red states will find they didn't just get rid of immigrants, they got rid of House seats too, because that count is directly used to reapportion Congress.

      • There will be some token deportations of undocumented immigrants that were going to be deported anyways,

        Fuck that bullshit, this makes as much sense as saying "well, there probably will be some summary executions of people charged with crimes, but they were gonna be found guilty anyway".

        The only thing working in our favor is Trump's general incompetence and chaotic headspace, he's his own biggest enemy sometimes.

        He's got fascist toadies who are very intent on this in his administration who will keep him organized and focused. What we have in our favor is hundreds of millions of Americans who think xenophobia is idiotic hateful bullshit.

    • Plus, those camps would all have to be built. We've already established that the immigration processing apparatus needs more funding; that's part of what that immigration reform bill would have done. So he might be able to start the process of building these camps, but eventually he will have to come to Congress for more money. (And he can't spend money that isn't there -- if he did that, then the whole debt ceiling charade Republicans do is rendered meaningless).

      And yes, Republicans will control both houses. But there is a difference between cheering on the fascist head of your party, and actually casting the vote to build the concentration camps. Everyone in the House will be up for election again in two years, with no Presidential election on the ballot, and these people will have to justify their votes back home. Many, many Red districts will cheer them on, but some Republican wins were in close districts where this will make a difference.

      (And yes, there will be midterm elections. Congress's term is set in the Constitution. We can't just skip an election just because the President says so.)

      • And yes, Republicans will control both houses. But there is a difference between cheering on the fascist head of your party, and actually casting the vote to build the concentration camps.

        You put way too much faith in their ethics.

        Everyone in the House will be up for election again in two years

        And it will be a sham election.

        The elections will be shams from now on.

        All of you trying to sell us on "Trump won't actually be that bad" are not doing a good sales job.

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