Punish Democrats or Stop Trump? Arab Americans are agonizing over their votes.
Punish Democrats or Stop Trump? Arab Americans are agonizing over their votes.
Why does Trump always get a pass?
It's like everyone against him has to be an utter saint, and one wrong move? Welp, voting for Trump, I guess.
And yes, strategically... this makes no sense for anyone who cares about what's happening in Israel.
It's a fake argument. They were always voting for Trump. I have a relative that said Biden was too old... She's still voting for Trump. These people are wrong in the head.
But I was told no one would ever consider letting Trump win and that it was just Very Concerned People(tm) voicing their concerns, not an attempt to throw the election to literal fascists???
In her view, it’s not her personal responsibility to stop Trump; it’s Harris’s and the Democrats’. And if Trump has another go at the presidency, then it’s only the Democrats to blame, not the voters who defected. Choosing to sit out or vote third party is a way to remind the major parties that they aren’t doing enough.
God I love it when people treat voting as a spiritual responsibility and not a matter of being entrusted with political power, really makes me feel great about the state of civic education in this fucking country.
And if Trump has another go at the presidency, then it’s only the Democrats to blame, not the voters who defected.
This is honestly the worst part of this whole thing, because if it happens, they won't even have a come to Jesus "Wow, maybe I shouldn't have done that" moment that might influence their actions in the future - instead it will just galvanize them against the party that they are ideologically closest to.
It is infuriating.
With the massive middle finger Harris has been giving Arabs since the start of her campaign, how the fuck are you surprised?
I'm not at all surprised. I guess the sarcasm in the first line wasn't thick enough for some people to parse. This is exactly what I expected from day 1 of this style of agitation, no matter how many times people swore up and down that it definitely wasn't about ushering in a fascist dictatorship via Trump, just 'expressing' a desire for policy change.
Turns out it was all bad faith bullshit, just like so many of us recognized even at the time. Quelle surprise.
Here's my simple take. Vote Harris, then hold a massive pro Palestinian demonstration on inauguration day. Harris might be swayed, trump would just claim the demonstration was to celebrate him.
Those protesting will be called anti semites and ignored. They will be tear-gassed and every news channel will praise the cops for it.
You don’t end seventy years of genocide support in a week.
Yep, you're exactly right. That's the best course of action.
Trump would also send the military in to break up the demonstration
I feel like you can add this to the right side
One of those two people is going to be elected. One of them will do nothing, and the other will actively make it worse.
Le bingo!
Voting for Harris means voting for an adult administration and the continuance of Democracy. It is always possible to have a grown up conversation with adults who are sane and respect the right of the people to speak out, demonstrate and get their members of congress to act better. . A vote for trump will be the end of American freedom. That administration will be in it for the money from whoever pays. And people dying will not be a problem. If war & genocide makes them money, that's what will happen. Your rights and freedoms end when you speak against that administration. Gaza will be leveled and made into beach condos. Lebanon will become part of Israel. Ukraine will be Russia. Taiwan & Hong Kong will be strictly ruled by China. . Your vote is not about making a "statement". Your vote is about keeping the freedom you enjoy as an American. It's about electing the candidate that is a qualified adult. Just because the candidate is not the perfect one for you, does not mean you are going to "show them" with your protest vote for the other party. Especially when the other party has blatantly shown you that they don't actually care about Americans, and they will turn our own military on us in retaliation. 100 years ago Germans had no idea that they would die in camps. Be tortured, raped, or be subjected to horrific medical experiments. But it happened. . It's 2024, and 1 candidate is running on a platform that helps Americans and fosters a much better future that we have had. And 1 candidate just had a rally at Madison Square Garden in support of his idol. The idol that the entire world knows as the evil who created those concentration camps. . Sadly, it really is about Freedom & Democracy. All Americans need to think it through. Let's just hope you don't regret your decision.
Single issue voters damage democracy.
A system which necessitates or otherwise helps create single-issue voting damages democracy*
Eh, not always. We're getting a lot of white women voters who previously voted for Trump thanks to abortion, for example. I wouldn't judge voters for voting for what they care about. The leaders should owe the voters, not the other way around.
Not if your single issue is preserving democracy ___
Who wants to vote swap with me? I'll write in Refaat Alareer if someone votes Kamala in a swing state. I'm in California so don't tell me I'd be wasting my vote.
No one is really checking where and how people are operating from for those nuances to come out.
Judging from the points being made here in this thread, clearly there was little reading of the article to begin with.
Even article headline uses 'Arab-American' and 'Pro-palestinian' interchangeably. The perfect level of wrong that creates a bunch of uncertainty and confusion.
If I actually loved someone and understood that I was going to throw them into
A) a horrendous situation, or
B) a mildly less horrendous situation with a very real yet depressingly tiny chance of ending it,
and understood that if I tried choosing a third option I would end up with A...I would choose B.
In the better situation, the understanding is not there, and this video is probably what's missing: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
If they have truly internalized that and still insist on defaulting to A by means of refusing the choice and going third party, then they care more about flipping off Democrats than helping Palestinians, with is real ugly.
It's very weird that in a story involving a genocide, nerdy arcane voting mechanics are the main character. Not as in "the most important", but as in "the unassuming hinge on which the nasty stuff turns".
I feel like my earlier thoughts are still just as relevant. I still think everyone needs to go out of their way to vote Harris, I also consider Harris' Campaign to be entirely responsible for the outcome. Harris got a major boost when picking Walz, his progressive policies are very popular, but now has only waned once she started moving to the right to pick up 'moderate' republicans at the expense of her base. (Most Moderates still skew towards progressive policies)
Protect your right to punish your leaders.
I love how everyone is blaming the voters for agonizing over this decision and not Harris for supporting a genocide.
You’re a single issue voter? That’s kinda silly imo
I'm not but I'm more pissed at Kamala for not being against a genocide than I am for single-issue voters, when that single issue is genocide. And being a genocide apologist is more silly imo
If they vote Trump, then I'll be secretly clamoring for them to be deported out of America.
Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds.
Russian bot + you hate freedom + you hate democracy + stop asking questions and blindly vote for the Lib candidate :3
To be honest, America would be better off without people that would be stupid enough to do that.
"I'll vote to install a fascist government that will give Israel a blank check to destroy the Palestinians. That'll show Harris!"