Fairphone 5 Released

I really wish it had a 3.5mm audio jack. I don't see what companies stand to earn, other than money, when they remove the headphone jack.

I can see why Apple and Samsung removed it because the they can market their own wireless headphones.

Removing the jack only removes capability, it is not like older phones didn't have the capability to connect to Bluetooth headphones

Yeah their original excuse to remove it was largely related to space due to the modular design.
If you want to read it is here.
https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9836188988049-Audio-jack-3-5mm
They don't even send a charger anymore...
- If you're savvy enough to buy a Fairphone you likely have a gajillion USB-C cables and adapters laying around. I appreciate them not generating more waste.
- How is that bad? Go to your drawer and use one of the dozens you'll have accumulated over the years
- We are long past the days of proprietary charging ports on phones, my guy. You can use any charger that came with any phone you've owned in the past like 10 years.
get wit the times

Interesting how they went for an IoT SoC (Qualcomm QCM 6490), instead for an SoC that's actually meant for usage in phones.

They probably did this to be able to get longer Android updates. As a side effect, that means it natively supports desktop Ubuntu and Windows 11 IoT Enterprise.

On the other hand, this is pretty much the only phone using this SoC. (There are three models by a totally unknown brand from India that use the same SoC.)

It's going to be interesting to see whether that's an advantage or a disadvantage.

Mhm desktop ubuntu phone sound fun, or even desktop windows
- That's what the SoC supports. Let's see what the phone ends up supporting. But I agree, it does sound fun.

Threads for Fairphone often fill up with "it's not going to work if they don't X." Lots of people don't seem to understand that their personal viewpoint can be quite different from other's.

There are people who are aware of the trade-offs of a Fairphone, but still choose to get one.

I've always been in favour of a phone with a shitty camera. I don't give a fuck about posting on social media, and these days a huge chunk of a phone's price is determined by how powerful of a camera they were able to cram into it.
I recognize that this apparently sounds insane to most people.
- It's nice to have a decent camera, but honestly, 90% of the people (including myself) are so bad at taking pictures, that the difference between mid range and ultra premium is almost zero.
  The only thing that's really really cool is night mode. My Pixel can take really great photos with extremely low light levels.
- I don't post on social media either, but my phone have replaced the compact camera that I used to pack for family vacations.
  I suspect that's what most people use their phone camera phone: to take personal photos that will only be shared with family members.
- My socially isolated self rarely if ever needs to take a single picture. I'm doing perfectly fine with the base camera that my old devices came with.
- The cameras aren't even bad, they are perfectly acceptable for a mid-range phone. If you use a GCam port they can look great.
- In terms of BOM the cameras usually aren't even that much. It's just one factor that allows them to differentiate "premium" phones they can gouge more for.

I pre-ordered already.

Ok, so honesty time: The fact that this company is good for the environment, pays people well, etc.. is NOT my main "thing" for wanting to own this phone.

It's the fact that it is open. I can unlock and flash whatever I want, I can fix things by ordering replacement parts, a new screen is TOTALLY do-able both price wise and doing it myself.

Also it does not come with bloat, or vendor-lock in software like on ALL samsung shitty phones.

Out of all the phones, this one makes the most sense.

(And my current FP4 goes to my mother, perfect for her and many more years of support)

What OSes support the fairphone? I'd consider one if I could run something other than android on it
- Nice, I still had this in my browsing-history: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/operating-systems-for-fairphones/11425
- What are you currently running? Just curious what non-android and non-ios is working well for you.
I see Google Drive, Gmail, Google Messages on screenshots so it does come with bloatware.
- While unfortunate, not shipping these standard Google apps is not really an option for any Android manufacturer due to Google requirements. Including them is required if you want to use anything from the GSM, which includes things like the Play Store and everything it touches. You can technically ship a different Android distribution like Lineage or /e/, but that's not really what most people will be expecting of an "Android" phone and will narrow the viable target demographic even more than the value proposition already does.
- Easily removed, though. The great thing about Fairphones is, like Pixels, they have loads of deGoogled OS support.
- As a side note, Google Messages replaced the recently discontinued AOSP SMS messaging app

The first company that produces a phone with

removable battery
maximum 6in screen
3.5mm jack
open bootloader

will break the market

The Fairphone 3 has that. It also supports Android 13.
- Yeah that would be nice, unluckily it's been discontinued and whenever I find one on the secondary market the price is prohibitive...
People want big phones for some reason, so it's unlikely it would break the market. Those who want what you described are (unfortunately) very few.
- People want big phones for some reason
  Bigger battery, better for content consumption and overall usage if you use it frequently. It's not that weird, yet you treat it as if we were talking about aliens.
- I don't think that we are very few, I mean look at the upvotes...
  It's just the market that is going the other direction and we just take it instead of spending a little bit of time looking for other solutions.
And a transparent back cover
Fairphone 3.
I do not see any suitable replacement anywhere on the market 😭

I was exited for this phone, but as I said in another thread: I am a bit disappoited about the CPU and the substantial price hike, but most of all aqout the size increase. Is there any market research at all indicating that customers want 6"+ displays?

Is there any market research at all indicating that customers want 6"+ displays?
Unfortunately, yes. People who buy smaller phones are the people who buy a new phone less often, and small phones tend to sell worse than the big models (see S10e, iPhone 12(?) Mini) so don't get renewed. Would be nice if they did.
- It's so frustrating that this is true. I use devices until they're dead or at risk of serious compromise before getting another, but the only options are ones that I can't even hold comfortably with one hand. I'm seriously considering the Jelly 2 at this point.
- I picked up a 13 Mini back in March, and will ride this bad boy for as long as I can, in the hope that Apple eventually release another Mini model.
  So perhaps it’s true that we hold onto our little phones for longer, primarily because we’re waiting for another little phone to come along.
- For the FP4 they said one of the reasons they remove the aux input was that more people asked them to reduce the size of their phone than to keep the input.
The CPU choice is great, why are you disappointed with it? It's the reason they can offer a minimum of 8 years of support on this model.
- I would also like to know what the problem is with the CPU. My current phone has this CPU and it works fine.
  Edit:
  Geekbench FP4 Vs FP5 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/2432096?baseline=2439889
With you on almost all points. Only the size didn't actually increase. The phone's dimensions are exactly the same. Only the weight went up a bit. The screen size was increased by using up more of the phone's front side.
The phone is still a massive brick.
substantial price hike
it’s €50 more expensive than the FP4 with the same RAM/storage configuration on its release (€650 fot 8 GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage).
- Also it's 3x cheaper than my pentium that i bought in 1997 and it has 3000x less ram than this. I know that we don't have that kind of exponential growth of hardware like we had 10 years ago, but still there is progress and it's expected to have a better product for the same price each generation.
It's roughly the same size as the Fairphone 4, isn't it? Like 1mm less thick.
I get that they wanted to increase the battery and put out a new cpu, but I'm disappointed they're not offering any camera or screen upgrades for my Fairphone 4.
- Were you actually expecting that? No manufacturer has ever created an upgradeable smartphone, let alone one as small as Fairphone. The Phonebloks concept died ages ago.
  The situation with the camera on the Fairphone 3 was unique and mainly in response to problems with the original module. It shouldn't be taken as evidence that they have the ability to do this with every edition of the Fairphone, or extend upgrades to other areas like the display.

Just wish it had a US release...

Fairphone 4 is sold and supported in NA, hope they will carry fairphone 5 as well: https://mander.xyz/comment/2699680
- Nice 👍

Wish they sold it in the U.S.

I'm pretty sure I got this link from somewhere on their website, but here is a company that ships to the US. https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5-fr/
- At that link:
  Are you looking for the new Fairphone 5? It is not yet available in your market.

I understand why is the device so expensive (they wanted to make sure that everyone in the manufacture pipeline is properly paid, and that the materials are ethically sourced as much as humanly possible) but yeah, unless I can be absolutely sure that I won't be changing devices in the next five years, I don't think I'll be able to afford this one.

Isn't it wonderful playing a rigged game?
Here is a phone that ticks many, many boxes for sustainable and ethical production. It's the phone that "free market will fix it" neoliberals insist should bring the downfall of companies that just release e-waste.
But of course the free market won't fix anything.
Neoliberals built a managed democracy and giant corporations were allowed to use outsourcing, slaves and environment-unfriendly manufacturing.
The influx of cheap goods subsidised by the misery of foreign workers and future generations made it harder to notice our shrinking wages. We could still afford to fill our homes with tat, just like our parents did.
But your grandfathers tools lasted 30 years and yours will last 3 (and be worse for the duration). Very few companies even bother offering good products, let alone ethical ones.
Because nobody can actually afford "good" any more. Not the consumers who want to buy it, nor the handful of companies trying to sell it. You have to buy crap. Companies have to be unethical.
It's dug us a very very deep hole that's going to be a lot of hard work to climb out of and it's looking like politicians and billionaires are only interested in selling us new shovels.
- Millions of people could afford this phone, they just don't care about ethics.
  Instead the Samsung S's, Folds and iPhones sell by the tens of millions because they are trendy and give more "bang for the buck".
I can understand that. The next best option is a second-hand phone, which will also help with your financial problem. However keep in mind that Fairphone are offering a minimum of support for 8 years (and aiming for 10) so it may work out as less overall depending on what you normally spend on a phone.
That was my thought as well. I am unfortunately not able to afford an expensive phone if it won't last significantly longer than a regular. But then again, my Xiaomi phone became unusable after about 2, maybe 3 years I think. It was just to unbearably slow. So ok, it's about 150-200€ every 2 years - maybe 700€ for 5 wouldn't be that bad then. I also saw there is something like a subscription thing where you pay per month?
- There is an official subscription called Fairphone Easy being offered in the Netherlands exclusively. For other European counties there's Commown, but it's pretty expensive.
If I ever will be able to use Android phone for more then 2 years without the system getting all wonky I will consider spending more than $300 on a phone.
The big draw for me is that it's modular and easily repairable. If you crack the screen, the battery life gets worse, or whatever else, you can replace it without too much issue. With the relative stop of phones getting better over the years (not saying they need to either, because they do everything that I want and way more, which is mostly just browsing the internet/Lemmy) I'm much more looking for something I can just use for many years instead of replacing every year or two.

rounded screen
front camera in screen

designed for you

Sure as hell not.

Also:
lack of 3.5mm jack
EVEN BIGGER size
At this point, they're just following the trend.
- It's not bigger, it's even a bit thinner than fairphone 4. Screen is slightly bigger though
- Why wouldn't they? Their goal is to create a fair phone. Not a niche phone for a few geeks.
- Yes, and I'm still a little surprised, even after the 4.
  Are they really aiming for mainstream consumers? Because, I don't know, but I don't think they reach mainstream people at all.
  Who they reach is those who are explicitly searching for this kind, techies, and they also have pretty different needs than the mainstream.
  I mean, I think it's ok that they are making phones like these.
  But what's weird is that they are not making phones for techies, who are their current audience, as I see.
  I understand that it's costly to have different variants, but at least there would be 2 or 3, which are actually distinct in their features, for the different audiences. No need for different SoC, but like there's this one for the mainstream when that catches on. But then another for techies with jack, a smaller and normal screen (which means square, without camera hole, front camera is distinct if there at all) and less cameras on the back, maybe other diffs too like IR blaster or double sim and microSD. It could also have a different look, like shiny instead of glossy. I mean, it's a different audienve, the preferred looks will be most probably be different too.. and while I don't dislike how the non-screen parts of the 5 look like, it's not my cup of tea.
- And not including charger which you of course can buy for extra €25. It would be fair if the charger was free with every phone. Make it optional if you want to claim it's because of environment, but make it free if someone wants it with your phone.

Their website doesn't seem to specify which GSM bands it has (simply "More Bands and Band-Combinations for better reception"). I want to know how much of a given provider's spectrum I'd be missing out on trying to sneak one of these to the states.

Fairphone 4:
4G supported bands: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B18/B19/B20/B28/B32/B38/B40/B41/B71
5G supported bands: n1/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28/n38/n41/n71/n77/n78
Fairphone 5:
4G supported bands: B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B20/B28/B32/B38/B40/B41/B42/B48/B66/B71
5G supported bands: n1/n2/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28/n38/n41/n48/n66/n71/n77/n78
Relevant comment about Fairphone 4 in the USA
TL;DR: By adding band 66, Fairphone 5 has better compatibility with cellular network providers in the USA. Band 48 also gives better compatibility with Verizon. T-Mobile is still the best for Fairphone in the USA.
- Thanks! Yeah, it looks like it covers T-mobile minus the GHZ/ mmWave bands, which is good for me. A solid consider, especially if they (eventually) drag it over to the states like the Fairphone 5.

This is a preorder, not actual release.

it's better than nothing right? 😂
- I know what you mean, but because you've allowed yourself to miss my point completely - I'll do the same.
  No, it is not, in fact, better. Nothing would be better, because we would not have a false impression of the situation.

still waiting for the next unfairphone release

September 12th for the new iPhone.
- a day after the

This is a pretty great phone, I just wouldn't spend this much on a phone. Even if it lasts let's say 6 years, I can buy 3-4 mid range androids at this price & as the years go by they could be far better than this one near the end.

Also while Iphones are really hard to repair, they do last very long & there are people out there who can replace my iphone battery for like $40 and it too would last 5-6 years. (a recent enough refurbished SE for example)

Even if it lasts let's say 6 years, I can buy 3-4 mid range androids at this price
Something tells me you missed the point of the Fairphone...
- I think a very small percentage of users would justify a purchase on repair-ability & sustainability alone (privacy is not it!), if it does not save them at least a little money in the long run and as things are it does not. If it was just a bit cheaper they could sell 10x as many units & normal people like me would be happy. I think this is reasonable to ask for, yes the phone is more expensive to make, but software support is not nearly as expensive as you think. Android is very easy to update and port these days, sure it's like 4 engineer salaries to keep some degree of testing running alongside development, but if they sold more devices, then the relative cost would go way down.
  Then again, if they can maintain profitability by targeting that niche market it's good for them, I just wish someone took 'right to repair' & 'right to own' to the masses.

If it a) comes to the US, and b) comes with stock Android out of the box, I might get it for my next phone. Currently leaning toward a Pixel with Graphene.

b) is already given and a) depends on whether you'll find someone to bring it to you.
- b) is not already given. The only company that brought the FP4 to the US loads it with /e/.

This is going to be my next phone. I cant wait to get out of the mainstream phone market. I barely use my phone for anything but browsing the web so it shouldbe fine.

Me too! I'm using my phone for more than browsing, but it will my next phone!

They are offering a minimum of 8 years of software support. 5 years is the warranty. I'm not sure why OP wrote that, it's not what was announced.
5 years of OS updates is more than you get from any other Android manufacturer. For everyone else in the space, you are lucky to get 3.
- It’s 8 apparently
  5 years is as long as most phones that I used last so there would be no point to buy it
- Samsung offers 4 years of os updates for many phones and watches. And news reported that pixel 8 will have better.
  If I recall correctly, Xiaomi recently declared the same for some of their phones.
Unfortunately it's impossible to offer support for longer than the chipset
- Actually in the past they updated their software even past the support from qualcomm, rewriting by themselves what was needed to allow and old chipset to run newer android version
  Source

Wish it was degoogled. I’d love one, but… android 🤢 privacy hell

It will be deGoogled soon enough. The Fairphone 4 is supported across several deGoogled versions of Android including CalyxOS, iodéOS, LineageOS, DivestOS and /e/OS. The Fairphone 3 and even the 2 are also supported by some of those operating systems.
- If you were to pick the most mature one, which would you choose?
- The Fairphone 2, 3/3+ and 4 can also run PostmarketOS (Linux) and Ubuntu touch IIRC
  Edit: add Fp2 to list
- The link complains about me not being in France haha. 404 when switching countries.
Pixel 6a you can find for 250-300 and flash graphene.
- Well yes. But I want a NEW phone
- It doesn't have a 3,5mm jack or a microsd slot

Fairphone Fold when?

Fairphold

I wonder if IP55 is enough to mount to motorcycle handlebars in heavy rain.

Doubt it but for that use an otterbox case or similar would be your best friend, hell nowadays you can mount phones within a waterproof bag.
- Doesn't seem like there are any waterproof cases for the 4, so I doubt we will see any for the 5. Maybe more likely now that the phone is available in the US at least. Not a fan of the waterproof bag idea myself.
  At least my tank bag has the option for a waterproof cell phone pocket though, I doubt the touch screen would work through the thick plastic. Never tried it because I don't have the pouch required to keep the phone in place on the bag.
- Does OtterBox make cases for Fairphone?
Well, IPx5 is technically water resistant for water jets and up to 12.5 liters per minute. I think that sounds enough to be used it rain. I also saw some reviews of other devices that even IPx4 is fine in rain.

That's what I want to see. Real choice in smartphones.

Storage
8GB 256GB internal storage
External storage capacity: microSD up to 2TB (SD 3.0)
- my bad. deleted.
It has support for up to 2 TB of removable storage. Did you even bother to read the specifications...?
- my bad. deleted.
Please stop bogging down the conversation with this every single time fairphone comes up.
- It's a valid point tho. Like, i wouldn't even hesistate with buying a Fairphone if it had a jack
no headphone plug
This used to be something I cared about until I found a bluetooth headset I really like. Going wireless is fantastic, in my opinion.

Looks pretty nice tbh! Probably going to stick to my current phone a few more years until it stops being updated but if I manage to break it this might just be the replacement.

Wish it was available here in India. i would have totally bought this for my father. Repairing these phones is better than buying new ones when he barely does anything other than WhatsApp, youtube and calls.

Repairing has generally been better than buying new for 98+% of cases in the last 5 years or so.
- Nah these glue shut phones are pain in ass. Phones need battery replacement after 3 years don't want to go to a service center for a simple job.