10mo ago

Young women are more liberal than they’ve been in decades, a Gallup analysis finds

Young women are more liberal than they have been in decades, according to a Gallup analysis of more than 20 years of polling data.

Over the past few years, about 4 in 10 young women between the ages of 18 and 29 have described their political views as liberal, compared with two decades ago when about 3 in 10 identified that way.

For many young women, their liberal identity is not just a new label. The share of young women who hold liberal views on the environment, abortion, race relations and gun laws has also jumped by double digits, Gallup found.

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10mo ago

Young women are more liberal than they’ve been in decades, a Gallup analysis finds

apnews.com /article/women-voters-kamala-harris-swift-trump-abortion-76269f01d802ac4c242f8d36494bcd83

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Women are voting more liberally because they don’t like conservative positions on abortion, guns, and the environment.
Weird dudes in this thread:
“Men are being left behind!”
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Wut.
- A few of the women I work with who are vocal about their politics, will quite firmly point to how conservatives still engage in victim blaming if a woman gets sexually harassed or assaulted, to say nothing of rape/murder, to their reasons for going blue.
  Their reproductive rights being curtailed while men old enough to be their father get viagra covered through their insurance telling them to just shut their legs is just a horrific bonus.
- I understand how abortion and guns can/do have a womens exclusive perspective, but how is the environment a womens issue? By environment you mean things like climate change and pollution, right?
  I can understand how liberals vs progressives would have different views....but I'm not grasping how men vs women would.
  
  There's a sense of "Caring about nature is effeminate and for wusses" in toxic masculinity.
  
  Burning fossil fuels and polluting is viewed as masculine, whereas caring about the environment is feminine, in a phenomenon sociologists have coined as Petro-masculinity. Think of those men who roll coal in their lifted trucks towards cyclists in lycra, who they view as "gay".
  Petro-masculinity: Fossil Fuels and Authoritarian Desire - Cara Daggett, 2018 - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0305829818775817
  
  I don't know why either, but in I heard the same thing: more women tend to care not about the environment than men. Anecdotally, a lot of environmental related stores > and groups I go to are a majority women attended or assumed at women.
  
  Caring about pollution is associated with wimpy electric cars instead of manly trucks, and the not manly activity of taking transit or cycling, and soyboy diets instead of steaks, and omg electric stoves, etc.
- “Men are being left behind!”
  They gotta get with the program! Lol
- Ok, but what does this have to do with the article? You’re brining up a totally different topic.
- Women really need to reevaluate their position on guns. Guns are a self defense tool and a great equalizer that will allow you to defend yourself and your family against a rapist or home invader twice your size and double your strength. Gun rights are women's rights and empowerment for women.
  
  Most rapes come from family members. At which point a kitchen knife when they sleep is more than enough
  
  Imagine being downvoted for thinking women should be able to protect themselves.
The conservative postion literally sees you subhuman ... Its the conservative women that amaze me .. How?
- Because most people run on their personal experiences, and don't do great when they have to think very far ahead or extrapolate and make connections.
  If you're lucky enough to be born into a conservative home that's not bugshit crazy, and you're lucky enough to not be TOO smart, neurodivergent, gay/lesbian/trans/etc. then you've probably never seen the full ugly face of conservatism because you were treated nicely.
  Lots of conservatives will treat you perfectly politely...if they get to know you, and as long as you look white and clean-cut enough. As long as you give the right social signifiers, basically.
  Most of my ex-conservative friends group was driven away from conservative family because we were abused in some obvious fashion, were gay/lesbian/trans, were neurodivergent, etc. We were different in ways that, ultimately, after a lot of pain, forced us to cut ties with family. (It was never our first choice though.)
  But a woman who was lucky to be born into a family that treats her halfway decently won't experience that sort of ugliness until an emergency happens and it's leopards-eating-faces time.
  And it's VERY hard to rock the boat BEFORE something bad happens to you, when you know rocking it will have really bad consequences immediately. People don't like to be shunned or kicked out of families, so if they're not treated TOO badly they'll toe the line and conform out of fear of the unknown and fear of losing everything they have and know.
  
  Your last paragraph here is very important. There are massive political implications to these kinds of family and group dynamics.
  
  Thank you for your thoughtful response to my blasé comment about a captain obvious level of Duh from a headline.
- They don't understand that that means inability to get a divorce, not being able to open a bank account, not having the right to vote, etc. The conservatives will say all the polite words like family values which sounds fine.
  
  I mean that kind of trust only works if you're seen as an equal. Which is hard to come by.
Shocker, when women lose basic reproductive healthcare rights, their views on abortion legislation and conservative politics change significantly.
- I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face
Ignoring the annoying way in which liberal has been re-christened into anything vaguely left-wing in U.S. parlance, this seems hardly surprising since the conservative side seems both anti-young, and anti-woman.
- I don't want to ignore it. Calling yourself liberal on the environment and gun laws just makes me think you want more polluting industry and more guns.
  
  I like it. I'm going to call myself an environmental conservative now.
  
  Explain please.
- Here on Lemmy leftist means communist to some people, but liberal means corporatist Democrat to me.
  Progressive or leftist is what I call myself depending on context. If I'm among a group that will immediately think I mean communist, then I stick with progressive.
  
  Exactly, liberal means both German center-right CDU and the US Dem mainstream. They are on the same ideology.
  
  The thing is, liberal means something rather specific to me - open, against regulations. If you're socially liberal, I'm probably on board. If your liberal regarding the financial market, we'll probably disagree.
  I suppose someone who is extremely liberal in all regards following this definition would be what most people in the U.S. would call a libertarian.
  In the end, shouting at clouds about me thinking that people are using words wrong won't do much, and generally I'm very open to language evolving, but this one always gets me because it's one region specifically using it differently than what I learned.
Don't buy the "tradwife" myth. That's just six or seven creepy "influencers," who figured out how to make money from conservative boys dumb enough to think they have a relationship with fake online personalities.
- And more than one women who has gone down that route, including influencers, has ended up regretting being dominated by their husband 24/7. Even if you're into domination, this is a life where there's no safe word.
  https://unherd.com/2024/05/lauren-southern-the-tradlife-influencer-filled-with-regret/
  (Note, Lauren Southern is still a horrible right-wing influencer, she's just no longer into the tradwife thing.)
  
  Wonrr what happened to that Tami Loren lady after her face got eaten bc she wasn't in lockstep about abortion. Haven't seen her face in the news in years now.
can we stop using Taylor Swift as a spokesperson for all young women? like I'm all for her as a pop singer, but the media gives that billionaire too much clout as a representative of all young women. can't we just say young women speak for themselves without it requiring a billionaire woman to illustrate something for them?
- Us young men get the same treatment but with scumbags like Andrew Tate, go figure.
  I feel the pain.
- Also, as a woman about the same age as Ms. Swift, I’m fucking 30. Millennials aren’t young anymore. We’re just regular adults now
My .02? There's a large swath of "conservative" women who like the idea of going to church, being a stay-at-home mom, and having a husband that goes to work every day and provides for them. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that life.
But what they found out is the guys espousing that lifestyle actually want to treat their wife as property. There was a solid 30 years of momentum building around "maybe I don't want to have a two-income household, maybe I just want to be a mom". Unfortunately, while the women were thinking "we're partners in this household, I take care of the meals and the kids, you take care of making money" - the dudes were thinking "I own you, you do what I want, I do what I want, if you talk back, I'll put you in your place".
- I'm a liberal dude who earned enough that my wife could stay at home and raise our kids until corporate greed gave me a one two punch of rapacious price increases (because they could get away with it) and stagnant wages (because they expect me to put up with it). She was doing a lot of work on the household all the time.
  Luckily she went back to work after our kids became much more self sufficient and could participate in taking care of the house.
  Never thought of myself as king of the house.
  (She the Queen, though)
Also, reminder to vote early, ladies.
- vote early
  I fixed it for you. For some reason Lemmy seems to want to full URL.
  
  Thanks
Over the past few years, about 4 in 10 young women between the ages of 18 and 29 have described their political views as liberal
I wonder how the other 6 in 10 young women would describe their political views. While 40% isn't a majority, I would think liberals are a plurality. Still, it's a little disheartening that there isn't a clear majority in the US. It would be nice if a majority of Americans could reach a consensus.
- They have christocaptilfacism...am American and not part of the consensus
- The survey included moderate on the scale so 40% does not mean that 60% are conservative. The article only covered the portion that was liberal or very liberal.
This really shouldn't have come as a surprise. Trump and MAGA came about from disillusionment in politics and the rural working-class feeling left out, with the right sensing an opportunity to say outlandish shit to stand out.
Today, women are disillusioned because they can't afford to buy a home, can't afford basic healthcare like most civilised countries, have zero workplace protections, have zero control over their own reproductive organs, and are lumped into the "DEI" category whenever the right discusses whether they should have opportunities in the workplace.
I say this every time an American article is posted around the sheer surprise that something is happening. It isn't new. Trump was preceded by Brexit and the rise of the right in Europe. Thankfully, we've also seen the implosion of the right over the last year or two, so if Harris can win then you'll all be glad to hear that it'll be a bloodbath of back-stabbing and finger-pointing as the right fight for whatever scraps are left - all while the loser sits on the sidelines shitting on their former allies for having the audacity to succeed them.
With all that said, it's a great thing, but hopefully this isn't just pushed as a women-only thing. Real change needs everyone pushing in the same direction, and that needs real unity - something a good leader can bring.
Good to hear. I feel they don't have to gain that much with conservative politics, it's good to see they're taking action.
Ahh cut the crap. The right swung away from women
Well "conservative" (i.e. "Republican") has shifted to such a weird place that people who aren't weird probably feel compelled to call themselves "liberal" (probably meaning they'll vote for Democrats).
- If I could change the way we talk about politics, most labels would go away. Because to me, most people are either "conservative", or "normal human with opinions". I am only for using a label for conservatives because they fall in line, every goddamn time. Those motherfuckers basically all support Trump. If you want to be seen as an individual or as having a thought-out point of view, you do not get to support someone for whom a news outlet made a specific database to keep up with their tens of thousands of public lies. You do not get to support someone who brags about becoming a dictator and who praises dictators. I mean even just his history with women is enough, but his actions that ruin millions of lives should be unforgivable and unsupportable for nearly anyone. But they support that. So they don't get to be individuals. Their support leads to legalized bigotry, suffering, and death. And there are other people, most of whom have at least some defensible views. Conservatives have none that I'm aware of.
- Your username really hit the nail on the head.
  
  Is it not true? Men make up most of the fascist party and most men are fascist. Unless someone has a counter point what else can we make of this?
- Hi, I'm a teacher. The young men I see 'villainized' tend to make their own life harder by feeling entitled to money and status without actually trying to achieve anything. Their entitlement then causes them to act in unpleasant ways.
  I don't see many young men being treated badly simply because of their chromosomes or external genitalia.
   
  yet at every step they’re villainized
  Sounds like you're saying that if a man goes to the bathroom and washes his hands he is villainized. After all, washing your hands is a step in a procedure.
  You probably don't mean that. Maybe you are employing hyperbole to make a point. Please explain.
- You’re being downvoted because you’re trying to change the topic, and you’re trying to have some sort of conversation about men being left behind.
  This is an article about women voting more liberal because of changing on opinions abortion, guns, and the environment.
- Society isn't failing young men hard — let's be more specific — Republican toxic masculine rhetoric is failing young men hard. There's a reason there is so much overlap between MAGA and Inceldom, and it revolves around the false perception of what it means to be a manly man. They stifle their own emotions, yet rage on roids, get buff, and treat women like pieces of meat and then turn around and ask, "why can't I connect with anyone!?" Well, because drank the bullshit kool-aid of Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Donald Trump and jumped fully onboard with frat-bro culture.
  And let me just as a relatively young white male — you have no idea. You have no idea how hard it is for women right now all the same. After all, does the reversal of Roe really impact you or me the same way? Of course it doesn't. And another thing: All the economic woes facing men are also facing women just the same, I hope you understand.
  One key factor is changing whom they idolize. Time to start idolizing the likes of Tim Walz and not Andrew fucking Tate.
- I said something irrelevant, mean-spirited, or hurtful and now the downvotes only reenforce my correctness!
  
  How is what he says irrelevant? Perhaps it shows some bitterness. But what he says is overall correct. Just look at the stats, not just in the USA. PISA results
  girls outperformed boys in reading by almost 30 score points, on average across OECD countries (Figure II.7.1). While girls outperformed boys in reading in every participating country
  I have seen a bunch of special programs for woman (like to get them into STEM) over the years. But not even one for men. And special help for the boys quoted above? Nope.
  This is not a men vs women things, it's about everyone getting the help etc. they need, regardless of who they are. Rich, poor, male, female: Should all not matter.
- You've been fed a picture of a past that you did not live in, where men apparently were much better off. You should question that picture, make sure somebody isn't just blowing smoke up your ass, whether because of rose-colored glasses or something more malicious.
  WW1, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, WW2, Vietnam... it's hasn't always been that great for a man. These are real things, they all happened in addition to any storybook pictures you might have in your head. Remember what our forefathers had to go through to get us here, it wasn't all good things. It's only fair then that we, too, have our hard times that we must face. We don't need to tear other people down to overcome them.
- The only way society is failing men is by letting them get indoctrinated as boys into inceldom and alt right beliefs by social media weirdos.
- No one's burying their head in the sand. They're reacting to the fact that it sounds here like you are resenting women for talking about their own oppression. It's not zero sum my friend. We know patriarchy hates men too. This specific article just wasn't really about that. There are other places on Lemmy that are talking more specifically about the issues you raise here, though.
  
  It is zero sum the left does not care and the right is simply unacceptable. Maybe give parents some credit for aborting boys or something. World only needs a few of us.
- You post about hot dogs in a hamburger thread, don’t you?
  
  I think these are delicious!
  FoodPorn downvoted me though....
- men aren't being left behind. they just don't have as much control over people that they have no business controlling. this isn't the persecution you think it is.
- Steven Miller made it a point to target young men and push them into the Alt right.
  It's a story as old as time; young men tend to enjoy fraternities/clubs where they can hang with their bros.
- Are men worse off, or are women better off in comparison?
- In what way, in your opinion, does society fail young men harder than it fails young people in general?
- Men are worse off today than previous generations
  Men and women (in general) live longer and are more prosperous lives than they have for most of history. Yes, I know, rent is unaffordable. There are healthcare problems. Etc.
  Crime is still historically low and lifespans are still historically high.
  I'd say that makes men better off today.
- Go back to 4chan.
- Who could ever know why men aren’t becoming as progressive as women, guess we will never know! Every refusal to acknowledge the issue, is cause for it to grow bigger.
  Yes, I too could act like a dick and say 'I have an issue!'
  Yes, I too could respond to people saying that I'm being unreasonable by saying 'it's your fault!'
  No, at no point am I doing anything but sabotaging myself because I feel entitled to being treated more leniently than everyone else.
   
  Terrorism isn't cool.
- That's just not true, but I do see where the perception comes from. I am gen-X and raised well within peak chauvinism and toxic masculinity. Along the way, nation-wide sensibilities started to change and we are all better for it. The problem is that as we tried to right the wrongs, we as a society forgot to change the way we raised young boys. We began to raise our girls to be independent, demand respect and equality (all great things), but we forgot to stop raising our boys in a way that ties their self worth to sexual prowess, maximum aggression, ability to provide for a family, and all the other metrics that only apply to the old family centric, male dominated structures. Yes, we started to raise boys better now but change is slow and all those other boys now find themselves ill prepared and with a strong sense of entitlement to a world and way of life that simply doesn't exist. Some boys/men adjust, but others are just throwing a tantrum. To those "men" all I can do is respond like someone raised in the old ways. "Stop being a fucking little whining removed, man the fuck up, and adapt! Show me that you aren't worthless or shut the fuck up. Fucking baby."
  
  Being in the Bible Belt, I could see what you were saying, until the last bit.

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