AOC launches effort to impeach Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito
AOC launches effort to impeach Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito
www.theguardian.com
AOC launches effort to impeach Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito
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Good. It is a start..Won't get anywhere but it is a start of a conversation
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Why wouldn't it get anywhere?
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In order to advance the measure, the Speaker of the House would have to allow it. He is an ally of the two. Then, once advanced, the House would have to vote to impeach, and the House is currently controlled by the gop, and they too are unlikely to impeach their allies.
So the chances of it getting anywhere are near-zero, for this year anyway. Next year could potentially be different.
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Republicans control the House and even if they didn't, there is nothing close to a majority vote of the House that want to impeach members of SCOTUS.
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Why would it get anywhere?
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Republicans
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Because this article is from Wed 10 Jul 2024
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Because conservatives control the house, which is the first step in impeachment. Even if the speaker allows it to come to a vote (he won’t) they will just vote it down.
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This election is so seriously fucked up that Dick Chaney and AOC are voting for the same candidate.
Weird timeline we're in.
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No, who are you calling a weird timeline? this timeline is extremely solid. It's a very solid timeline. When we're talking these kinds of numbers, then we tax countries when they ship stuff here, and they will not like it, but we can see how solid the timeline is...
I feel like I should have left out all punctuation in that paragraph.
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Weird timeline we’re in.
neoliberals and conservatives are flip sides of the same coin to be spent in the same vending machine of american hegemony; whether or not they select the same flavor makes little difference compared to the very real choices available in some other vending machines rich enough to effectively defend itself from the american machine.
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This reminds me of the current French politics. After the previous legislative elections were won by the left, neoliberal president Macron nonetheless appointed a conservative as his prime minister.
At the end of the day, it's all about the bottomline.
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So, are you considering AOC to be a neoliberal or to be a conservative?
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At least there's something. Agreed with sibling comment that nothing will come of it. But at least something is happening. The corruption is astronomical and a thumb in all of our eyes.
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Literally 0% chance to change for good if all that happens is bearing witness to corruption and wrongdoing.
This is doing something. It’s hitting on the root of so many problems which have arisen in the US since the corporate takeover of government began in 1978 in partnership with the Supreme Court. I applaud AOC for this!
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AOC 2032
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“Justice Thomas and Alito’s repeated failure over decades to disclose that they received millions of dollars in gifts from individuals with business before the court is explicitly against the law. And their refusal to recuse from the specific matters and cases before the court in which their benefactors and spouses are implicated represents nothing less than a constitutional crisis,” Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, said in a statement.
Moderate Dems don't want to actually fix the SC.
They love complaining about it. And saying that's why they can't fix anything.
But they refuse to even bring up that we can fix it by impeaching the problematic ones or just expanding the court.
People say "if we do it, trump will do it" which is just insane to me because why the fuck would any republican not do something unless a Dem does it first?
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So when Biden and the party said 50 was enough to do stuff...
Are you saying they were lying, or that you know more about it than Biden and his admin and they were just ignorant?
And did you really just call AOC a moderate?
I'm just not logically following what you're saying. Like, I understand what you're trying to say. It's just not logically sound.
Quick edit:
Also, 50 was enough for Kamala to cast the tiebreaking vote to expand domestic fracking...
Why is 50 enough to do what republicans want. But not enough to do what Dems want?
Are you going to double down and say that's what Dem voters want? More fracking?
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So annoying that Democrats propose something, the Republican majority opposes and entirely quashes it, and the "take" is that we should blame Democrats for not getting it done.
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See also, filibuster and gerrymandering.
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Republicans absolutely will do something if it benefits them. We can safely assume current filibuster rules benefit them otherwise they would have removed them themselves already. Dems do actually stand on tradition (which is why they haven't eliminated the filibuster even though it would greatly benefit them), often to their own detriment and I would say it's far more likely that they are actully concerned about norms (I would say overly so) when they're hesitant to do something like impeach justices.
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Dems do actually stand on tradition (which is why they haven’t eliminated the filibuster even though it would greatly benefit them)
Really?
Everyone else always say it's just Manchin and maybe Sinema that won't, and that Biden and the rest want to...
To be honest I think you're right and there's a hell of a lot more moderates that would refuse even if we had 60 D senators, and Schumer refusing to hold a vote is to block for them so people don't replace them in their next primary.
That's pretty much the whole point of my original comment...
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"Moderate" Dems have been trying to appear palatable to an increasingly unhinged conservative voter for decades now, so they won't push for anything too controversial
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They love complaining about it. And saying that’s why they can’t fix anything.
Should be noted how many conservative Democrats are genuinely happy to have a SCOTUS do the dirty work of deregulation, dismantling of the administrative state, and legalization of bribery at all levels of government.
People say “if we do it, trump will do it” which is just insane to me because why the fuck would any republican not do something unless a Dem does it first?
The Republican strategy, to date, has been to rely on liberal apathy and "norms" that favor their reactionary policies in order to ratchet their way into a judicial permanent majority. But for policies that this ratchet effect won't work fast enough - funding of Trump's Wall, illegal surveillance under Bush, police harassment of minority groups in Texas and Florida, police harassment of women's health clinics, police harassment of GOTV efforts by liberals - the Republicans simply do as thou wilt and leave it to the Democrats to pound sand in response.
To the idea of court packing, I do have to ask... why are we afraid of more SCOTUS judges? What happens if the court swelled from nine to nineteen over the course of a couple of D/R/D/R administrations? Is that actually a problem? Will court rules be meaningfully worse as a result. I've yet to hear how a larger court with a more diffuse power base would be bad for the American public.
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Is there no method of self policing for the judiciary or legal profession?
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This article is from July. Johnson has not allowed this near the floor and never will because hes a corrupt sack of fucked up rotten eggplants; even if he does, it will obviously fail on party line votes. Non story.
It's a good reminder before a big election that one side is actively attempting to govern, while the other side is blocking any and all actions so as to curry more favor with their billionaire backers.
Please
Both ‘sides’ are blocking any and all actions so as to curry favor with their billionaire backers.
There's a very good chance that Democrats retake the House after November. Any idea whether Hakkem Jefferies will allow this proposal to advance?
Knowing how absolutely fucking stupid our politicians are id imagine IF we win we'll suddenly hear a whole bunch about needing to heal and show solidarity or some such bullshit that will just equate to "we aren't going to do anything about Republican corruption."
I’m waiting to read that since they didn’t have a code of conduct, how could they have known?
How could any suspect that accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in
bribesgifts would present a conflict of interest?Jeffries would have everything to gain by forcing the issue, and i would frankly expect him to. But unless a miracle happens in the Senate post-election, an actual conviction will of course not happen as Republicans will never sign on to get the 2/3rds majority there.