Lucy Letby will die in prison after receiving 14 whole-life sentences

One dead baby, a tragedy.

Two dead babies, a concern.

Fourteen dead babies, I don't care about her. She's fucked. But what fucking hospital has 14 dead babies? Are you saying you cant identify a pattern after 4 or 5?

The heads of the hospital should be gutted.

Call that place "The dead baby hospital" because wtf.

Multiple doctors came forward to say that their concerns were ahot down by hospital administrators. They cared more about a bad mark on their record than a someone harming newborns under their watch.
- Administrators should be gutted in a public square. And let's not stop with these ones.
- She worked in neo natal. That is already "at risk" births. Premature. Addicts. All sorts of things that are risky to begin with. I'm not justifying anything she or the administration did. However it is to be expected at times in those units. Sounds heartless but my family was in those departments for many years.
- Kill a bunch of babies? Jail forever.
  Ignore someone killing babies to keep your £250,000 a year job safe? That's just good neoliberaling.
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She murdered 7 babies and attempted to murder 6 others.
Please read the article instead of just the headline.
Looks like she might have targeted higher risk babies so it's harder to catch, and of course many murders seem to be really good at faking feelings and appearing innocent. One part in the article makes me think all the victims were premature births, and that some of them were especially at risk due to that.
I'd say deaths in hospital aren't rare. Especially in premature babies where survival could go either way. If you're going to murder babies, a hospital is probably the place where you're going to go unnoticed the longest.
That said, the timeline is pretty damning. Over a decade she'd still be doing it, but this was all in the space of just over a year.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2023/aug/18/lucy-letby-timeline-attacks-babies-when-alarm-raised

It's weird to me the level of deranged guilt her diary entries show.

We are responsible for our actions. I just wonder wtf was going on in her head that allowed her to keep doing it. She hated herself for it. Like a lot.

That's the sort of evil I understand and can cope with. There is something wrong with her we don't have the capacity to understand. Some chemical imbalance or growth pushing on her brain in a certain area.
It's the people with nothing wrong with them but allow evil to happen like the hospital administrators that gets me.
- A lot of time there is nothing visibly wrong with them and their background doesn't explain it
This is a mental health issue, do they have free mental health care in the uk?
- Yes, but it's difficult to access. You need to want to get the care and actively campaign to be referred.
  And that's the "easy" things like anxiety or garden variety depression.
  As soon as it gets complicated it's a whole other story.
  If she never tried to seek it out, then it doesn't even matter as it appears she didn't give off any "I murder babies" vibes to the extent that the investigation was delayed beyond a reasonable length of time because she was not suspected of such a thing.
- There's a big fucking difference between "i hate myself and want to die" and "might murder a half dozen babies this month".
  I think you might be asking a bit much of public mental health care, yeah?
- She might think she didn't have a problem and rationalized her actions
You'd have to look at what she got out of it emotionally. Other hospital killers did it for a combination of "They were a burden", "I was putting them out of their misery" and a sense of godlike power of life and death. Some started doing it for seeming mercy reasons but got so comfortable with doing it that they started killing patients because they annoyed them.
- I think you're perhaps ignoring what I said about the content of her entries.
  She suffered from her actions, emotionally. A lot. It's quite clear she got nothing positive emotionally from it:
  "I am evil I did this”.
  The note added: “I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them.
  “I am a horrible person.
  “I hate myself. There are no words. I am an awful person. I pay every day for that.”
  “I panic I’ll never have children. I don’t deserve mum and dad. The world is better off without me. I did this, why me.”
  “No one will ever know what happened and why . . . I’m a failure.”
  “I am a problem to those who do know me . . . it would be much better for everyone if I just went away. I just want to be happy.”
  “Kill me” and “Help me” along with the names of some the babies she murdered.
  In one, Letby scrawled: “I can’t do this anymore. I can’t live like this.
  “No one will ever understand or appreciate what’s like.”
I read the article and didn’t see any diary stuff. Do you have a link to it?
- https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66104004
- “I am evil I did this”.
  The note added: “I don’t deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them.
  “I am a horrible person.
  “I hate myself. There are no words. I am an awful person. I pay every day for that.”
  “I panic I’ll never have children. I don’t deserve mum and dad. The world is better off without me. I did this, why me.”
  “No one will ever know what happened and why . . . I’m a failure.”
  “I am a problem to those who do know me . . . it would be much better for everyone if I just went away. I just want to be happy.”
  “Kill me” and “Help me” along with the names of some the babies she murdered.
  In one, Letby scrawled: “I can’t do this anymore. I can’t live like this.
  “No one will ever understand or appreciate what’s like.”
I don't think it's possible to really understand a person that is that level of abnormal. Or rather, when you have empathy in a somewhat normal range, I think it's really hard to understand how not having empathy works.

The whole thing is unconscionable imho. Obviously firstly, for her to prey on, and hurt/ murder newborn babies? I can’t wrap my mind around that. At all.

From the admins at the hospital ignoring the worried reports from the physicians who worked on the unit WITH her. The administration went so far as to demand those same physicians go to mediation with her and write out apology letters. Admins accepted her complaints of harassment over the doctor’s concerns that there was a pattern to the infants collapsing. If the DR’s refused to do that they were threatened to lose their jobs!

Then you have the fact that she was in a caregiver profession. Generally the public trusts caregivers/doctors. No one wants to believe that if you have a family member in the hospital, they are at risk of being MURDERED! That’s supposed to be a safe space from the world!

No one will be able to repair the public’s perception of the medical profession if medical professionals kill their patients.

This whole incident is terrifying. Reading the article, it linked to other articles, which I of course followed… that was a eye opening experience. I had no idea that there were multiple occasions that this had happened. Counting babies, adults, and the elderly. I can’t make sense of this.

Honestly the administration should be doing just as much time. Somewhere in their cushy offices, they ran the numbers and decided that the life of multiple infants was worth less than their brand. I wish them all a very long stay in gen pop.
I remember watching a (at least somewhat) factual documentary about another serial killer who murdered elderly people in care. Apparently, even when there are multiple suspicions, even from previous employers, some hospitals refuse to take action. In the documentary it was speculated that this is because it's apparently hard to get enough personnel. So if someone does an otherwise good job on the surface they won't look closer. Hospitals are a business, and management only cares whether or not it's profitable.
- That’s scary. I read some articles last night following links after this article. From nurses who like the thrill of “saving lives” (causing patients to code so they can be the “hero”). To doctors killing to get written into their patients’ wills. To one male nurse who killed his elderly patients, by all accounts simply because he hated geriatric women?
  The crimes were years ago, but the system needs to be fixed. If a medical professional is suspected of causing harm to their patients, then they should be investigated while being suspended (or removed from direct patient care during the investigation).
  If ultimately the accusations are unfounded, then great. However for those times the investigation shows wrong doing. That’s when shit needs to get real. Police need to be called in. Medical/nursing board of licensing should be involved. Otherwise, a hospital should be liable for lawsuits for wrongdoing in my opinion.
Also.just like bad cops, bad nurses can jump around the country as well. This also makes it difficult to stop these people from committing more crime. It's almost the same scenario as well, in regards to people being aware of what's going on . I wanted to add veterans to your list as well. Search Kirsten Gilbert..

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Ah. I see what you did there.

Ok I know this bitch should die but this judge should do at least three months in a level two for this fit.

Just because yank Judges got no style.
That's literally his work clothes, including the wig. That's just what judges in the UK wear. He probably ain't a fan either.
- And practically all the courts in countries that used to be part of the Empire/Commonwealth wear pretty much identical outfits. The whole justice system was founded in the UK.
- Sometime I swear the UK is stuck in a previous century
- tradition: ancestral peer pressure. fuuuug that
He looks like he steals candy from 18th century children.
What? He's a little dandy boy. Nothing wrong with that.

Baby serial killer? Oh….she’ll die in prison all right.

Yea that seems likely

There's a lot of hate here that I can empathise with and I'm trying to not take calls for her to commit suicide or be murdered/ tortured in prison literally. It's difficult to express hate verbally without reference to physical violence that underscores it. There's sentiment here that life in prison isn't enough and I tend to agree, but not in a way I've seen talked about here or anywhere else.

Letby should be imprisoned for life, no question. But that shouldn't stop us asking more questions about what happened here. Do we treat Letby's murders as isolated, unique cases and expect them to never be repeated? Lock her away and continue business as usual? It's possible that things aren't so simple and we need to look into how somebody like Letby got away with so much for so long and maybe also why she began doing something quite so horrific.

Mental illness is an unfortunate reality to come to grips with because we are steadily recognising that it is caused by relationships an affected person has with their environment. That means there is a share of responsibility in all of us and the systems/ institutions we have built to make sure this does not happen again and that we identify it before it's too late.

It's entirely likely that Letby will turn to self harm, or other extreme outcomes of poor mental health. We can't ask anyone to sympathise with her after what she has done, but we can hope to treat mental illness better in the future and offer help to those who need it, before it's too late. And I don't mean too late in the sense of killing people, because that's not what all mentally ill people do.

There should definitely be better trigger points added to healthcare and warnings to signify either errors of judgement or malice. My opinion of the management involved in this case is also very low. The parents also deserve justice with the failings in that area.
The mental health side of things should be taught in schools to let people know when things are abnormal. No one tells you that it is normal to have some of the syndromes that affect all of us in our daily lives. Without realising there is an issue, people can easily blow things up and create spirals that are hard to get out of. Mental health should not just be down to professionals, just like physical health having some awareness of good/bad can go a long way.
I appreciate the leveled comment. It's difficult to separate one's more reactive side of anger with the reasonable side. There's a reason the family of victims of crimes can't be jurors. I, too, would not be able to hold it together if I was in the position of those impacted by this person. Still, like you said it's vital we look at it from a position of a civilized society. The lens of Justice should not be focused on vengeance or punishment — both proven ineffective in terms of recidivism. Rather, the true pillars of justice involve: Separation from society, and rehabilitation (when possible). Arguably deterrence, but that is questionable.
Someone like this should not just be sentenced to life imprisonment (as a precaution to civilized society), but also subject to scientific study from both life and after death in autopsy. Every. Single. Part of her makeup should be dissected from checking for tumors (Tower shooter), analyzing her brain chemistry, relentlessly studying her past and psychoanalyzing her.
Insulting the userbase by implying anyone calling for the death penalty is angry? Check
Bringing up mental illness when it has nothing to do with the case? Check
Implying the baby murderer is mentally ill with no basis whatsoever? Check
"Hot" (in their minds) closeup pic of young 20-something baby murdering ~~nurse~~ horse-faced bitch smiling? Check
Looks like we got ourselves a SIMP in here, boys
- The point is to be more nuanced and actually get to the bottom of why she did what she did. By default, people don't have the capacity to just straight up murder helpless children. If someone does that, something is seriously wrong. What happened in this case? Is it mental illness? Is that nurse this incompetent (unlikely)? Why was this left unchecked for so long since doctors have seemingly voiced some concerns in the past?
  Even if turns out to be mental illness, that doesn't mean that she should go back to business with a warning, she is still a threat to other people.
- Hot
  Dude, splooge one off please, your eyes aren't working
- Implying the baby murderer is mentally ill with no basis whatsoever?
  Did you actually just type that with no sarcasm like baby murderer doesn’t give reasonable suspicion of mental illness?

Strangely enough there is another baby murdering nurse in UK prison called Beverley Allitt who in 1993 killed children the same way. She's been inside for 30 years and is actually eligible for parole since she hasn't received a whole life order (i.e. to die in prison). Doesn't mean she'll get parole but expect an outcry if she ever does.

I hear prison is really fun for child murderers.

After everything she has done, why did they choose a picture where it looks like she signed with a team?

Because she's white, young and hot, which automatically earns her sympathy points from everyone else. Look at all the people calling her mentally ill when if she was a dude, they'd be calling for his blood too.
- I hate this mentality, how dare they post a picture of her looking normal when she should be drooling blood and screaming about how she loves to kill babies in every picture
  She did look normal, that's a huge part of what let her get away with it for so long - everyone has this idea that only ugly people with mean faces do crime but that's not how reality works - people aren't all typecast and coded for their role, we need to get used to the reality that a normal and nice seeming person could be awfull on the inside.
Answer: it's all to do with innocent until proven guilty laws.
Basically, in the UK, you can't push a view in the media that someone committed the crime until they are found guilty. You can say blah happened and it is suspected that blah happened but if you say they did it before they are ruled guilty you open yourself up to legal issues.
This continues over to use of photos etc where if you use photos that make them look "bad" then that entity may be accused of pushing the view before the suspect is found guilty.
But, once found guilty, you can do it. If you go look at the BBC News site today you'll find that they don't really use this image and now use mugshots and other images where she doesn't look happy/smiling.
As for why this specific picture is still sometimes used - it's really just to do with what users will recognise, because this case has been going on for years now and that's the picture they always showed. Sky News (the site in the link) does also have other non-happy pictures of her now.
She's the white color

Before reading, I initially thought that maybe there was a reason like she could have mental health issues or that she could be just someone extremely incompetent at her job... But the more you read, the more this makes me want to vomit... It's truly sickening!

She's essentially a serial killer so I was looking into her past. Her parents were extremely over bearing, clingy and guilt trippers who were always smothering her, so I'm sure that contributed, but there's gotta be more in her past that led her to this.
- My parents are overbearing, clingy,and guilt trippers; I haven't committed any murders yet.
- Some people can be born with effectively broken brains.
  Take any trait, generosity, comedic ability, levels of empathy, etc. All of these traits can be modulated by DNA (and epigenetics of course). It only makes sense that out of the millions of babies born, some baby will come with little ability to experience empathy. That baby could grow up to take pleasure in sick things, to grow into a sadist.
  To be clear, by broken brains I'm not referring to learning disabilities or people who disagree with me etc. I'm referring to brains that cannot function in society due to an accident of birth -- brains that have effectively chosen a life strategy incompatible with with the stable society the rest of our brains have chosen.
  Also to be clear, those people with broken brains?... They are mostly in positions of power.
- Lol you're describing probably a quarter of parents.
- Some people are just born wrong.
- extremely over bearing, clingy and guilt trippers
  Yah, I don't any parents like that. looks around the room
Yeah, I was looking for a reason and found none. She is just sadistic.

And here I thought this was the nurse from the 90s, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverley_Allitt

But, no. This apparently happened in 2015. Creepy how both cases are so similar.

No kidding... How strange they both were UK serial baby killers. And Beverley Allitt was convicted before her 25 birthday if I looked at it right. She was caught in '91, so she was doing it as a 23-year-old girl...
ETA: they were both mid-twenties when the murders occurred. I don't know why I got hung up on that, it is just shocking to me that they were so young and doing something so deplorable. I just imagine some older deranged woman doing something like that. Either way...unreal.
Apparently this one is eligible for parole now, after receiving 13 life sentences.

Bitch is going to commit suicide in jail and that's way too good for her. She should live with it every day and be beaten daily. Even that's too good for her. Makes my blood boil

I'm trying to understand the downvotes you have. Like yeah, what you're saying is extreme. But murdering goddamn infants is pretty fucking extreme. If there was ever a time to wish someone pain, it would be now.
- Some people aren't mental and don't wish to inflict pointless harm on others.
  If its wrong to harm people, its wrong to harm those who harm people too.
- Yea, I'm generally a well composed guy, but it's hard to keep cool in this instance
- Simps sniffing after that young hot nurse pussy is all it is. They don't care she killed babies. They care about that hot pic on the front page.
- Absolutely, people can down vote to oblivion but I stand by what I said. Days old babies, I cannot comprehend this. It's that reason I may sound a smidge extreme, for a very laid back easy going person this has awoken a great anger in me.
I don't think she'll get the chance to do that considering what I've heard about what inmates do to murderers
Reddit would suspend your account for this comment even though it is perfectly reasonable. But I also think why waste time and money on this trash and just throw her into a furnace or something.
- Perfectly reasonable
  Well you're living up to your username at least.
- Fuck Reddit

Tldr/ootl... How and why did she do this?

Apparently she wrote in her private diary stuff like "I am evil for doing this" and "I am a horrible person for doing these things". IMO this points more towards a massive mental health disorder rather than someone purposely doing evil acts to achieve their own selfish desires. It sounds like she had very unwanted intrusive impulses and she was unable to stop herself from acting on them.
Don't get me wrong, her being aware that her acts were wrong doesn't give her a get out of jail pass. The awareness of her drives being wrong means the onus was on her to get help to prevent her from acting on those drives. But IMO it does make clear that there was no motive, it was likely caused by a compulsion mental illness. This is all IMO though.
- The fact that she recognized how horrible the things she did was and didn't immediately yeet herself off the roof just makes it worse
According to this article they never conclusively determined what her motive was. There were theories that it my have been Munchausen's by proxy or simple sadism in response to seeing the families grieve, but nothing was ever proven. As for her methods, this article details them and I'll leave you to read up on that, not going to detail it here. Suffice it to say, this woman deserves to never see the light of day again.
She used her position as a nurse to intentionally kill newborns.

Yes she will. Probably before the year is out.

I mean. . . not immediately, right?

Whats it matter? We will all die in a prison of our own making.
- I'll be honest with ya, existential dread was not on the list of things I was expecting while browsing lemmy today.

Shame they don't hang any more. Maybe she'll do it herself.

Better that she wastes away in prison knowing she will never be released.

There isn't a punishment anywhere close to severe enough for stains like this.

I wished it weren't so but no amount of punishment will bring the dead back nor dissuade others who might do similar as her.

Serves her right

I'm not particularly "vindictive" but these are the kinds of cases where capital punishment / death penalty seem justified

It's never justified.
It won't bring the babies back. It won't stop her killing more babies any better than prison will. It won't discourage other people from killing babies.
All it does is turn "murder is wrong" into "murder is wrong (unless I think you deserve it)"... and guess which of those most murderers believe?
- A large number of people would disagree with you and they would be right to do so. Your opinion does not mean fact.
  Nothing anyone does will bring those poor children back from the dead. That's not the point of justice. The point of it is to fulfill what the people think qualifies as moral righteousness. It's what the word actually means if you look it up in a dictionary, and for the majority of people, they believe the death penalty in cases like this is right and I for one can't fault them.
  The point of wanting her dead isn't to bring the babies back. It's to get rid of her, permanently, as they rightfully should. We know prison isn't enough because others have cited the case of another baby murderer who is now up for parole and may be released, completely defeating the point of life sentences in jail.
  murder is wrong (unless I think you deserve it)
  And that's how many philosophical schools of thought work, and they are quite honestly more valid than yours. Deontology is a terrible moral outlook and cases like this is why. We can't have a moral and just society if we only judge morality by action and not by the circumstances of that action, who is affected, who commits it and why, etc.
  What you're asking for is actually unempathetic, cruel, and quite honestly really dangerous for the community.
- so real question what the hell would stop people from doing that??
- She is not being rehabilitated and will never contribute to society in any way again. She is just costing people money for no reason. I am normally against the death penalty, but there are some cases, like this one, that make me think twice.
i am pretty vindictive, and i think sending a 33 year old to prison for the rest of her natural life seems like a much worse punishment than a quick death.
- This is one reason why I generally don't support the death penalty. Life in prison is a bigger punishment.
In this case it would almost be letting her off the hook, rotting in prison seems a better punishment.

She is clearly mentally unfit and should be in Bedlam.

Well deserved.

Lucy Letby-Gones would be a pretty sweet name.

I couldn't understand it at first and British name-ified it to "let bee goans"

A freaking IRL Annie Wilkes

I hope she spends the rest of her life being tortured by mentality I’ll DOJ guards.

14 life sentences isn't "life in jail" in the UK, where murdering 270 people isn't too much for "compassionate release."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelbaset_al-Megrahi

So... society does not accept post-natal abortions... yet.

Hopefully she will get killed in prison in the most painful way possible

Death penalty through crucifiction should be implemented in these cases.

I don't think she did it.

Is this because you find it hard to believe that anyone could do such a thing? This is the attitude that meant it took so long for Letby to be caught, as the senior hospital managers ignored warnings from doctors, seemingly on the assumption that she must be innocent, because the alternative was too awful to contemplate. But some people really are capable of such awful acts. Fortunately they are relatively rare.