AOC says many Democrats who want Biden to drop out don't want Harris on the ticket either

If only there were some sort of process we could have engaged in to select a candidate people actually want to vote for.

in 2016, SCOTUS said we can't have that, either, after we picked the wrong candidate.
- But in 2020 the process picked Biden and again in 2024.
Joe Biden would have won the primary. I don't really think it would have even been close.
- They never had a debate even though there were a couple candidates running. Biden has been mentally troubled for the last 9 months or so. It was party hubris that led to this crisis.
Oh, SNAP! That's a brilliant idea! I want to do that. Let's do that! Why haven't we ever done that?!?!
--It just seems so democratic
- The US doesn't like democracies
You have to have voters and candidates engaged in that process. Biden by all accounts won the primary by a landslide.
- That is a pretty generous use of the word 'won'.
- There was no primary.

Is this supposed to be some sort of revelation? She didn't get anywhere in the 2020 primary. No one has any genuine enthusiasm for her. It makes no sense that she was VP in the first place.

Sure it does. The Vice President is an almost useless job.
The VP has two tasks under the constitution: Emcee the senate, and be the President's understudy. It's a position that only has power if there's a tie in the senate, the VP gets to cast a tie breaking vote. It's not uncommon to stick a candidate who has some momentum but the party doesn't like there to get them out of the way. Look up Teddy Roosevelt's career to see how foolproof that plan is.
- She didn't have any momentum though in 2020. Her campaign was basically dead after Tulsi Gabbard shut her down at the Democratic debates in 2019, she was pretty much done after that until Biden picked her up on the ticket.
- Blame James Carville for Biden.
  Bernie was gonna take it in 2020 so Carville convinced Clyburn to endorse Biden in South Carolina, flat out stating that he did not care if there was electoral interest past the current election.

I want AOC on the ticket.

We need her in the legislature. Presidents fuck off after 4-8 years, we can't spend one of our progressives so early
She's too young unfortunately.
Edit: she turns 35 in October so she's just barely old enough. She's 34 right now though so I don't think I deserved that downvote.
- She turns 35 this year before the election. She's eligible.
- She is old enough legally.
- Girl, you'll be a woman... soon.
As much as I'd like her, AOC has the same problem as Hillary. She draws more opposition than support. She would motivate the Republican base against her far more than the Democratic base for her.
- The same Hilary Clinton that won the popular election in 2016?
- I would say that her problem is very different than Hillary's. Hillary was not popular with Democrats and she was hated by Republicans. AOC is loved by some Democrats, liked by a bunch, and disliked by some while being absolutely reviled by Republicans. That would get AOC more support than Hillary got.

Y'all overlooking that she's saying it has to be Harris. All the campaign funds and endorsements don't leave the campaign if Biden steps down and the baton is passed to the VP. Not true if we make this an open primary or even if we all agreed on someone else.

Fucking hell, of course it would be Pelosi who is floating the most risky option: an open primary. If Nancy is on board and AOC is not, you know it's probably bad: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/19/pelosi-support-open-nomination-biden-drop-out-00169893

She added that, “I'm in these rooms, I see what they say... a lot of them are not just interested in removing the president, they are interested in removing the whole ticket."

Do it.

And replace them with who?
I don't see an "Obama" waiting in the wings this time around...
- What idiot Democratic politician would say right now that they want to be the next candidate? If Biden isn't replaced, that's a carreer ending move.
- Who cares about economically right Obama? Think outside of the mind trap, geez.

We all want Sanders

Wake me up when they make up their mind. I don't care who it is.

Mark Kelly would be an excellent candidate. His twin brother, Scott, doesn't have the political background for VP, but definitely belongs in the cabinet. Maybe Chief of Staff; maybe Sec Def.

Mark Kelly is the first proposed candidate that doesn't make me immediately "meh".

Do the optics of appointing your brother to a cabinet position really make sense though? I think there's plenty of aversion to the concept of yet another American political dynasty

I saw this quote earlier related to this;

“To not choose her is a slap in the face to Black women,” said Melanie Campbell, chairwoman of the Power of the Ballot Action Fund, an advocacy organization focused on Black voter engagement. “You are saying to Black women that what we represent is not good enough — not only to stay with the man we voted for, but the woman that most of us advocated for, to be the vice president. You take her down, then you lose the Black women’s vote.”

Hmm do we think this is a common thought among black women?
- Yeah... I would put a lot more stock in that quote if Kamala Harris' poll numbers among Black women weren't relatively low for a Democrat. I'm sure some people will be upset, but if she is picked I know a lot of people will consider that a slap in the face in another way. Polls have shown for a long time that she's unpopular in a way that has nothing to do with race or gender. It would be handing the election to Trump almost as certainly as running Biden.
This looks like it's from the exact same playbook as, "There's a special place in hell for women who don't vote for women," back when the DNC was forcing Hillary Clinton on us over Bernie.
That's just idiotic. This has absolutely nothing to do with her being black or a woman. She's just not well liked and that can happen regardless of her sex or skin color.
BERNIE \ FAIN FOR THE DEMOCRATIC WORKERS PARTY
- Fain / Bernie. I love Sanders; I was a delegate for him in 2016. We don't need another octagenarian president. He would agree.
- Who is Fain?

Already kinda shooting for the stars hoping for Joe to dip, why not aim for a particular one as well?

Because nobody particularly likes Kamala Harris.
- That was implied by what I was saying, yes.

I've been screaming this at the top of my lungs to the people on lemmy this entire time. Now AOC is losing her shit warning everyone that if this happens, SCOTUS is going to be up to some dirty tricks and you won't even be able to get a candidate on the ballots fully.

You guys happy with yourselves now? I hope palestine, your "ideal candidate", and all the other garbage that doesn't affect us in the slightest was worth losing the democracy over.

People being subjected to genocide is not garbage, what in the fuck
- Palestinians being subjected to Genocide is not a subject that many Americans care about. The middle east has constantly been a hell-hole of people getting unjustly murdered. We're numb to it now.
  And do you think that's going to get BETTER, or WORSE when Trump wins, because of your excessive whinging?
Who's us? Are you a white American, by chance?
You know some Palestinians are American citizens, right? Like they have family getting bombed with the taxes they pay. It's totally fair for that to be their number one concern, dude
I mean, I can tell you lack compassion - that's your own issue - but you should at least care about not looking like an ignorant, callous, shitty human
- You might call it callous, I call it reality. The least evil comes out of NOT letting Trump back in office. But since you can't see past your own nose, you'll end up causing your own destruction.
  US. As in Americans. (And of COURSE it's lemmy, so let's pull the race card!) You're going to lose your ability to vote here soon when your shortsightedness allows a candidate back into office that has already said he'd love for Palestine to be a glass crater.
  The most good also comes out of making sure Biden has the best chances at winning. That means sucking up certain realities until the election is done. We're here because a bunch of people just like you, wouldn't just suck it up and vote for Hillary but protest-voted. At LEAST learn from past mistakes.
What democracy? The one where the people in power get a vote that matters and I get a vote that they can overturn?
Yeah, that's not democracy. You never had it to begin with.
The US’s treatment of Palestine affects the entire world, but it’s not fully Biden’s fault and Trump would help Russia take over Ukraine.
It doesn’t excuse Biden for not doing enough to help Palestine though but I don’t think it’s enough of a reason to not vote Biden either.
What democracy?
Hey, don't blame the people trying to fix the mistake that was putting all their eggs in one 81-year old's basket
Even Obama himself doesn't think Biden can win this. No career lasts forever.
The USSC has total editorial control over the US constitution and zero accountability. If they had it on their mind to mess with the election they can do so regardless of what happens here.