AOC files articles of impeachment against Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito
AOC files articles of impeachment against Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito
I'm voting for Biden. Not happily, not even simply neutral on the matter. I hate that I have to vote for Biden.
If AOC ran, I would not be even a little reluctant to vote for her. She reminds me of Bernie.
Biden is close to senile, and I'm assuming he'll pass away within the next 4 years. Honestly, I hope he'll win the elections and then peacefully passes away. Nothing against him personally, he seems like a nice guy but what the US (and by extension, the world, thanks for that) needs is not a narcissistic psychopath, and also not a senile grandfather for president.
This is her first election where she's eligible to run for president. I wouldn't be surprised to see her run in 2028
If AOC ran, I would not be even a little reluctant to vote for her. She reminds me of Bernie.
same here
i'm struggling to get myself to vote for biden; i vacillate on it every day and i wish my history and future of enduring biden et al.'s policies wasn't clouding my decision.
Fuck yeah. Probably won't go anywhere with a traitorous house majority but it's worth it to try and get them on the record.
Just today I read that Clarence Thomas accepted a yacht trip to Russia. There's a huge air of corruption around him and I've heard people are calling for him to step down.
Wow, someone in Congress with a backbone. Nice to see.
I am still hoping for the day to see someone of the same party convict a politician.
If anyone has any cases I'd love a link!
Nixon resigned a day(?) after the impeachment articles were filed, because House Republicans told him that he didn't have enough support in the party to not get convicted.
Judges have been impeached and removed in the past.
https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/impeachments-federal-judges
Edit>> Though now I see you said “politician”. If a judge is a politician (and there are at least five on the Supreme Court who are, due to their politics influencing decisions), then this at least answers in part.
AOC from NYC is the MVP in DC.
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MVP in the GOV...
I know she loves NYC but there's a nice White House available in DC
If you're going to do the thing with replacing Biden as the candidate, you couldn't get better than AOC, who will be 35 before November.
I personally think replacing Biden this late is a bad move even though I already think Biden sucks. But I grit my teeth and voted for the fucker just like I did with Clinton, because the alternative is literally insanity and fascism. I just don't realsitically seeing the party coalesce around anyone new at the last minute. Organizing Democrats is like herding cats, being a big tent party sucks noodles.
Just keep repeating, Biden may not be the best, but his administration has been fantastic!
In comparison to the other party... Not just Biden you are voting for the administration. Supreme court justices Which affect everyday life!
Exactly this. So the party doesn't do what I would personally prefer. I still prefer whatever the fuck they're doing over outright fascism.
He knows how to delegate to people who are smarter than him. He also knows the importance of 'tone at the top' in getting the best out of his team. This is what makes him the better candidate.
I'd say it's been good, not great.
Good domestic policy. Bad foreign policy. Or have we all collectively forgot about the wars?
Edit: You all were very loudly criticizing Biden on Israel a few weeks ago, but fine, I guess Lemmy has moved on.
Bidens state department has been horrific, as well as his defense department.
"this late"
Meanwhile, other countries' entire election season is like two months long total.
Shhh, don't mention other countries. Nothing to see here, just keep listening to the establishment democrats telling us anything other than Biden is impossible. And then four years from now the fight for democracy will continue.
I've seen this criticism of replacing Biden often recently "it's too late! We won't have time!"
Putting aside for the moment that it isn't late at all and complaints that it is feel like talking points, Biden IS old. The stats on someone his age dying that year are extremely high. There is a good chance he dies before the election.
If there isn't a plan to deal with that fairly likely possibility, then there isn't a plan to win.
Anyone in a position of power in the DNC making this claim is them confessing their own incompetence.
Hey man I've been dealing with the shitty outcomes of the politicians who lead this party being unwilling to listen to the public until well after the public has been proven right for my entire adult life.
I said Biden was too old in 2020. He's even too older now. The party didn't give a fuck and has spent their time hiding it and fucking us out of having primaries.
Who do you think will choose the new candidate? The same super delegates who gave us Hillary Clinton? It won't be a people's vote at the convention, it will be delegates, many of which are party apparatchiks.
Do you think the people who hid Biden's issues this late in the game will suddenly make a good choice? I don't. The party fucked us into this position and I do not think they are capable of unfucking us, sorry. Biden is who we have, alive or dead.
I fangirl for AOC but she ain't ready. Give her 4 more years at least.
She's more ready than Trump is who was already "president."
That said, I would rather her be in Congress longer because she can be a voice longer. After 8 years of being president if elected, she wouldn't then want to become a senator or whatever. That would pretty much be it for her in politics outside of ex-president things... and she'd only be 43.
I'm also sure Kamala would be pissed if AOC were to get the nom instead of her. Not that that matters.
everyone knows most voters only check on the candidates once every 7 months
Guess we'll have to wait and see. If Biden stays in and young people don't show up to vote, everyone will blame voters and not the DNC; even though the entire argument for Biden is his supposed electability.
We're in such dangerous waters right now that we might as well throw caution to the wind and try to get a woman elected POTUS. At least that would energize the base.
Wow, that is exactly the opposite expectation and take from me. If young people don’t show up to vote, I expect they’ll blame the DNC instead of themselves, even though the purpose of voting is getting the best outcome for your future and not about liking people or being sold on a brand.
Lets all hold our breath while we wait for something to actually happen because of this.
It’s a public repudiation in a way that is extraordinarily rare and highly symbolic. Nothing may change but shots have been fired across bows.
I still appreciate that its happening.
This will go nowhere. Oh, wait. I forgot that I live in a fake democracy. Sad face.
Oh it is a democracy, but not "direct democracy". We don't choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.
Those in power bribe, threaten, and lie, and we can't do shit about it because the actual hood guys end due to harassment or threats and can't deal with it psychologically.
Oh it is a democracy, but not "direct democracy". We don't choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.
Still not a democracy, you just described a Republic, which is what we've always officially been even if die hard patriots prefer to say democracy
Those in power bribe, threaten, and lie, and we can't do shit about it because the actual hood guys end due to harassment or threats and can't deal with it psychologically.
Plutocracy in action
Wasn't trump impeached twice? What does this even mean concretely?
Not knocking the sentiment, just questioning the practicality
Also good to note that the Constitution doesn't mandate the Senate convict the president under any circumstance other than treason.
Gives Dem voters something to rally around in the lead up to the election...
Like. This is literally the time and place for performative actions, but I swear it's like everyone's forgot what the word "campaign" means.
Without getting too technical, and someone please correct anything that may be represented incorrectly: It's basically like a trial. The House is the prosecutor, and jury and the Senate is the judge. The plaintiff is the United States itself, and the defendant is the political figure (president, SC justice, etc)
The House gathers / presents evidence and tries them then renders a verdict (Impeachment)
The Senate is responsible for sentencing or acquitting. Without a 2/3 majority voting to remove them from office, the impeached is acquitted.
In both of Trump's, the House found him guilty of the charges (impeached) but the Republican controlled Senate acquitted him.
Hard to edit it in on mobile, but see @ricecake@sh.itjust.works 's clarifications below to my analogy.
Impeachment is the decision to press charges, and the Senate trial is closer to the actual trial.
"Charged and convicted" -> "impeached and convicted"
Otherwise a perfectly good analogy. :)
The distinction only matters for people who bring up due process concerns. The impeachment proceedings aren't actually a trial, but a decision to have one, as such you aren't obligated to the same ability to speak in your own defense as you would be at a proper trial. With the Senate trial there's more expectation of due process because it's an actual trial.
I see. I shall remain optimistic then--Thanks!
Unfortunately it means as much as it did for the Trump impeachments. There is zero chance any, let alone enough, Republicans would vote to convict these conservative judges regardless of the evidence and validity of the charge(s).
For Trump, they wouldn't even allow the evidence to be presented to the senate.
It means nothing. It's political theatre to distract from the party's current issues.
Are we pretending impeachment does something useful again?
If you assume it never will again, then you've been defeated
Is it an assumption when you reach a conclusion based on history and evidence?
Ah but then you're admitting that impeachment has shown itself to be of little effect for a (current) moment. It's still incumbent on us as a society to hold those responsible for this accountable. And worse, it looks like somehow the impeached person is a likely prospect to become president again.
AOC might make me a Democrat again.
I wish there was a way to get rid of corrupt judges at the highest level that wasn't a political process. I never understood the lifetime appointments anyway. It hasn't done anything to keep them from being partisan.
The American founders didn't have good understanding of civil service type stuff back then. Coming from Britain there was a bureaucracy but if I'm remembering my history right it was mostly staffed by nobles who needed jobs and the overriding concern was that money should keep coming into the government. Especially from the colonies. This was actually part of the reason we ended up in a war for our independence. It may not have gone differently with a direct line, but we had to go through the undersecretary to the undersecretary to communicate with the British government. Which effectively made sure our concerns were never heard by the King until we petitioned him directly. Then he consulted his top advisor who also had not heard any concerns previously and they concluded the petition was worthless. To which we decided property destruction was the answer and cue the escalations.
So what our founders wanted was an independent civil service, but they had no idea how to make one. They only knew about patronage systems. And the one lethal blow to any patronage system is to say you can hold this position for as long as you want, as long as you're not corrupt. They knew it wasn't perfect. And they openly said we should be holding Constitutional Conventions on the regular to improve on things like this. For the record the two competing models are to lean into partisanship and hold elections, or run the judiciary as a technocracy with limited sovereignty. So the judges would actually figure out the supreme court and lower courts themselves in that system. Much like our military does now.
Both of those systems have their pros and cons but importantly, none of them stop determined ideological assaults on the institution. By the time you are hiring people it is too late to stop that. They've already been indoctrinated and they aren't going to tell the truth about it publicly. (For example all the judges that overturned Roe v Wade, said it was settled law or something similar in their confirmation hearings. Then they flipped the literal second they had the majority on an abortion case.) You have to stop indoctrination at the source, in education. Which is why there's such a huge push by conservative Christians to destroy public schools.
Anyways that's probably more than you wanted. TL;DR is it was the best system they had at the time, and they could not have foreseen fuckery like capping congress which obliterated the idea of actually representing the local views in a national body.
There is. It's illegal and it's illegal to advocate for it, and it's illegal to encourage someone else to do it. So I don't wouldn't do it, I don't talk about it except in vague terms, and I don't think you should do it either.
but... the declaration of independence says we have a duty to do it! Surely the founding fathers would approve...
Yeah here we have clearly obviously openly corrupt judges deciding on the biggest decisions of the land and nothing can seemingly be done to fix it. The system is broken.
Fantastic, I know this probably won't go anywhere but this is the right thing to do regardless. SCOTUS needs to be held accountable to the American people for their actions. We grant them extraordinary power and that must come with extraordinary accountability. Holding them to a lower standard than any judge in a lesser court is ridiculous. The higher the court, the higher the standards should be.
Well, she is trying her best at least to do* her job.
We need an AOC superhero sape!
AB👏SO👏FUCKING👏LUTELY
I cant wait to see who the Republicans try to impeach in their childish and inevitable retaliation.
Biden, Clinton (Hilary), Obama (Barack), Clinton (Bill), Obama (Michelle), etc.
If we're doing a betting pool, I'm putting my money on Ketanji Brown Jackson.
What makes you say that? 🤔 /s
Hunter.
Fuck yeah, finally someone taking action
These two deserve to lose their jobs.
Never going to happen, but good on her for at least trying. I'm not up to speed on Alito, but from what I heard about Thomas, those were most definitely bribes. Idk how anyone could consider it anything else.
Alito is the guy who flew MAGA-adjacent flags at his home and his summer home and blamed both on his wife
give me an AOC presidential candidacy and I'll shut up about green party
I think 25-65 is a good age requirement.
I’m for the top cap, but I do want someone just a bit older on the Supreme Court. 35 is the age for presidency. I’m good with 35-65 with an 8 year maximum term.
I doubt this will go very far with the red controlled house. But I’m happy to have something new to occupy the news cycle other than bucking about switching candidates.
About time
What about the other four?
I'm sure the Democrats will put a stop to this. Since Supreme Leader Biden has no issues with the way the Supreme Court is acting
Wut
I was gonna say she's too young, but apparently she'd turn 35 about a month before the election. A president who's barely old enough... What a nice change of pace that would be.
That requirement is so ageist as the brain is fully developed at age 26
Honestly, if two 80-plus year old farts can run for president, who gives a shit about age?
WOW, that would skip an entire generation from presidential representation. I'm sick of voting for geriatrics but to jump straight to someone younger ... I still would but ouch.
The march of time is steady towards the sounds of that waterfall. We're fucked.
She's pretty badass.
My worry about AOC as candidate is that she's relatively alone in her political space, and is far from having Bernie's weight as of today. She's in the Democratic party, sure, but she's in a very small faction inside of it, which may lead to a Corbyn situation: she takes the helm of the party, but centrist figures begin attacking her from her own ranks with the support of the media until she's forced to concede to a moderate.
On the other hand, if you manage to get 100, 200 elected representatives in the Democratic party who are clearly ideologically aligned with AOC, making her the nominee is no longer a battle, but rather, it becomes the natural consequence of the balance of power within the party.
I completely agree with you and I hate it. Our political system will advance at the rate politicians croak, since apparently retiring from office has gone out of fashion.
Yeah Pelosi did a hatchet job on her already
Only 50 more years till she'll be considered
Biden should pick her up as a running mate. So she'll just automatically be president if Biden dies. You'll see conservatives doing their level best to ensure Biden is in the best of health.
Weekend at Bidens
when Biden dies. I don't expect him to last another 4 years. We're pretty much voting for Kamala at this point.
Now this is actually a good idea
Only issue is she’s a divisive figure so center shitters might be driven to vote for trump. I think she’s awesome and would love if she was the first woman pres
A huge part of the poor youth vote attendance is due to them not feeling represented by geriatric nominees. If she were to run she would get very strong youth and minority support in addition to all the left voters.
TBH it would be a dream come true for her to run and win this year and I'm not even American.
Trump and Biden are also divisive figures which is why this is even a discussion to begin with. We need to end the status quo immediately.