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Teacher accused of having sex with two students says she ruined her 'dream job' with stupid 'mistakes', jury hears

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Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.

Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.

The 30-year-old was already suspended from her job and on bail for alleged sexual activity with boy A, 15, when she allegedly took the virginity of a second boy, known as boy B, 16, who she later became pregnant by.

Joynes denies that any sexual activity took place with boy A - whose semen was recovered from her bedsheets.

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Notice how it says "having sex with" instead of "raping" because she is a woman.
- Yeah as fucked up as it is men cannot be raped by women according to the definition under UK law. That's what I read anyway someone please correct me though because I would love to be wrong here.
  
  German law is curious (and well-written) in that regard. "rape" is something an offence may be called but it's not a category of offence in itself. There's one single section covering sexual assault in various aggravation stages:
  StGB, Section 177:
  (1) Whoever, against a person’s discernible will, performs sexual acts on that person or has that person perform sexual acts on them, or causes that person to perform or acquiesce to sexual acts being performed on or by a third person incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term of between six months and five years.
  [...]
  (6) In especially serious cases, the penalty is imprisonment for a term of at least two years. An especially serious case typically occurs where
  the offender has sexual intercourse with the victim or has the victim have sexual intercourse or commits such similar sexual acts on the victim or has the victim commit them on them which are particularly degrading for the victim, especially if they involve penetration of the body (rape), or
  the offence is committed jointly by more than one person.
  Note the "at least two years" doesn't inherit the "up to five years" of the previous section and there's even higher minimums for carrying weapons, risk of damage to health, etc.
  Only acts involving penetration are considered rape but it doesn't say by who or what, and even if the e.g. forced face-sitting didn't involve penetration it's still going to be on the same aggravation level.
  OTOH under German law what she did probably doesn't even begin to be rape it's sexual abuse of persons in one's charge.
  
  Can confirm. It's the same in my British former colony.
- Statutory rape does not exist as an offence in English law. The offence is sexual contact with a minor.
  The age of consent is 16 but 18 if the older party is in a position of responsibility (like a teacher). So whether or not she had unlawful sexual contact with the second boy would depend on how that law was interpreted, as well as when the first contact took place.
- Oh no men are calling out sexism, how terrible
- Notice how it says it was consensual and they were at the age of consent?
  
  Joynes denies six counts of engaging in sexual activity with a child, including two while being a person in a position of trust.
  The defendant, pleading innocence, said that. The case is about sexual activity with children.
  
  Age of consent is 18 in the United Kingdom, when the older individual has a duty of care for the younger.
Raping two students.
Cool now give her the same sentence a male teacher should get
Pedophile upset that raping children got her cut off from easy access to a pool of children to rape.
- Pedophile
  Ephebophile*
  
  A distinction that only matters to people who want to fuck kids.
not a drag queen
(...) boy B rowed and could not decide on whether to keep the baby or have an abortion.
Boy B claims he tried to end the relationship but did not know how to, called her a "paedo" and told her to find someone her own age but claimed emotional pressure came from Joynes to keep their relationship going.
Just in case someone is uneducated enough to not to understand why grooming is bad, this is what it leads to.
Fucking pedophile
- *ephebophile
Of course, it’s all about her, not her victims.
- That's because the victims are children, and there are limitations to what you can publish about children in cases like this.
  
  She can express empathy for the victims as well as shame and remorse, without naming them specifically. Apparently, she only regrets the consequences that she, herself, is suffering.
  The responsibility to keep the victims’ names obfuscated is that of the publisher(s)/media, not her, and could easily be edited from any statement she made containing them.
Rape is not a stupid mistake. It's an intentional action that is immoral and illegal and should be punished as such.
- And it’s even less of a mistake when you do it again
How can she possibly deny that when the evidence is undeniable?
Let's hope it's not just her job she ruined but het life too, by going to prison.
Can we face a rule that the country must be in the title if the post?
terfs will claim she technically didn't sexually assault anyone here.
also jk rowling will not mention this
- What.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A teacher accused of having sex with two teenage pupils has told a jury she ruined her "dream job" with stupid "mistakes".
Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.
In court she also maintains that the relationship with boy B only began after he had left school and she had lost her job, so no legal offence was committed.
Mr Allman alleged that both boys were 15 when she began taking them into her flat and she communicated with both on Snapchat - where messages are deleted and not recoverable by police.
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Mr Allman said that Joynes had a supportive family, sister and a best friend back home but instead chose the company of a 15-year-old boy.
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??!!
- She raped a child and emotionally manipulated them into continuing it after the child attempted to end it. Not nice. Not even close.
  
  You need context from the show to get this meme. This episode is a satire on how women who molest minors are treated differently and how some people are inclined to congratulate the molested instead of seeing them as victims.
  It's not nice, and we need to view the attitude of situations like this being "nice" as messed up. Hence the meme.
  
  Yeah that's what that scene from South Park is satirizing if I remember correctly
  
  Like the others said, it's actually a gif from an episode in which this specific double-standard is addressed... through satirical comedy.
  The gif is perfect for this post.
  
  WHOOSH
- Dude you're gross
Boy A and Boy B are now the most popular kids in school.
Kid was 2 years older? Totally legal and the top category on every porn site.
- The point of having an age of consent (in this case 16 in the UK) is not popularity, and not just parental awareness or protection from people in positions of power.
  It's a decision by society that kids below this age are incapable of grasping the full consequences of their consent.
  Of course the limit is going to be somewhat arbitrary, and you can definitely argue that age of consent laws are bad without being a creep, but you'd have to argue that a 15 year old understands the ramifications of consent.
  
  It's 16
  
  It's unfair to have a discussion calling names by default. For me, even 18 is not enough to understand the ramifications of consent, but it's too hard to keep 18 year-olds from having as much sex as they desire (some of them do desire a lot). If you start calling me a prude for this, what should I call you from my POV?
  
  Can't grasp the consequences but def grasped dem titties
- Sorry... are you suggesting 16-year-olds doing porn would be acceptable?
- Sexual assault can happen to men and boys. Sure, some of them may be "fine" with what happened, but this mentality makes it incredibly difficult for male victims of sexual assault to come forward and get help when they need it. The damage isn't always apparent right away, either.

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